Bob Costas interviewed Jerry Sandusky and his lawyer on Rock Center tonight on NBC.
Couple items of note: Sandusky denied any sexual contact, but did admit to showering with the boys. His lawyer says that they think they located the boy Mike McQueary allegedly saw being raped in the shower by Sandusky. His lawyer says that the boy may say it never happened.
Sandusky denied being sexually attracted to young boys… after a long pause.
The transcript and video is after the jump (please excuse any typos, went through this quickly).
Bob Costas: Mr. Sandusky, there’s a 40-count indictment, the grand report contains specific detail. There are multiple accusers, multiples witnesses to various aspects of the abuse. A reasonable person says where there’s this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire. What do you say?
Jerry Sandusky: I say that I’m innocent of those charges.
Costas: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
Sandusky: Well, I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them. And I have touched their leg without intent of sexual contact. But, so if you look at it that way, there are things that… would be accurate.
Costas: Are you denying that you had an inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
Sandusky: Yes I am.
Costas: Never touched their genitals, never engaged in oral sex?
Costas: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant, who, in 2002, walked into the shower, where he says in specific detail that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be 10 or 11 years old. That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic, slap, slap, slapping sounds. And he described that as a rape.
Sandusky: I would say that that’s false.
Costas: What would be his motive to lie?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask him that.
Cotas: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
Sandusky: OK, we were showering and horsing around. And he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor and, um, as I recall we were possibly like snapping a towel or horseplay.
Costas: In 1998, a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives eavesdropped on her conversations with you, and you admit that maybe your private parts touched her son. What happened there?
Sandusky: Well, I can’t exactly recall what was said there. Ah, in terms of, um, what I did say was that, if he felt that way, then I was wrong.
Costas: During one of those conversations, you said, “I understand, I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness.” Speaking now from the mother, “I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” A guy falsely accused, or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn’t respond that way, does he?
Sandusky: I don’t know. I didn’t say to my recollection that “I wish I were dead.” I was hopeful that we could reconcile things.
Costas: Shortly after that, in 2000, a janitor said that he saw you performing oral sex on a young boy in the showers in the Penn State locker facility. Did that happen?
Costas: How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that, when it hadn’t occurred, and what would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask them.
Costas: It seems, that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us ever heard about.
Sandusky: I don’t know what you want me to say. I don’t think that these have been the best days of my life.
Costas: You said a few days ago that “much more is going to come out in our defense.” In broad terms, what?
Lawyer: We expect we’re going to have a number of kids. Now how many of those so-called eight kids, we’re not sure. But we anticipate we’re going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say “this never happened. This is me. This is the allegation. It never occurred.” In fact, one of the toughest allegations, the McQueary violations. What McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child said that never happened. Now grown up, now the person is in his twenties.
Costas: Until now, we were told that that alleged victim could not be identified.
Lawyer: By the commonwealth.
Costas: You have identified him?
Lawyer: We think we have.
Costas: So you found him, the commonwealth has not.
Lawyer: Yeah. Interesting, isn’t it?
Costas: Would you allow your own children to be alone with your client?
Lawyer: Absolutely. I believe in Jerry’s innocence. Quite honestly, Bob, that’s why I’m involved in the case. If I..
Costas: You believe in his innocence? Not just that you can mitigate his guilt, you believe in his innocence.
Lawyer: I believe in his innocence.
Costas: To your knowledge, did Joe Paterno have any information regarding objectionable activities on your part, prior to that report in 2002?
Sandusky: I can’t totally answer that question. My answer would be “no.”
Costas: Did Joe Paterno at any time ever speak to you directly about your behavior?
Costas: He never asked you about what you might have done? He never asked you if you needed help? If you needed counseling?
Sandusky: No. No.
Costas: Never expressed disapproval of any kind?
Costas: How do you feel about what has happened to Penn State and to Joe Paterno? And to the Penn State football program, and your part in it?
Sandusky: How would you think that I would feel about a university that I attended, about people that I’ve worked with, about people that I care so much about? How do you think I would feel about it? I feel horrible.
Costas: You feel horrible. Do you feel culpable?
Sandusky: I’m not sure I know what you mean?
Costas: Do you feel guilty?
Costas: Do you feel as if it’s your fault?
Sandusky: No, I don't think it’s my fault. I obviously played a part in this.
Costas: How would you define the part you played? What are you willing to concede that you’ve done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it?
Sandusky: Well… I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.
Costas: That’s it?
Sandusky: Yeah, well, that’s what hits me the most.
Costas: Are you a pedophile?
Costas: Are you sexually attracted to young boys?
Sandusky: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?
Sandusky: ….. Sexually attracted. You know, no. I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. I love to be around them… um. I… I, but no, I’m not sexually attracted to young boys.
Costas: Obviously you’re entitled to a presumption of innocence and you’ll receive a vigorous defense. On the other hand, there is a tremendous amount of information out there, and fair-minded common sense people have concluded that you are guilty of monstrous acts and they are particularly unforgiving with the type of crimes that have been alleged here. And so, millions of Americans who didn’t know Jerry Sandusky’s name until a week ago, now regard you, not only as a criminal, and I say this in I think a considered way, but as some sort of monster. How do you respond to them?
Sandusky: I don’t know what I can say or what I could say that would make anybody feel any different now. I would just say that if somehow people could hang on until my attorney has a chance to fight for my innocence. That’s about all I could ask right now. And you know, obviously, it’s a huge challenge.
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won’t we all just feel like butt-heads if it turns out he actually is innocent
yea it was probably just a jerry sandusky look-a-like ass raping 8 year old boys in the shower and having sleep overs at his house.
Yeah a Russian Jerry Sandusky was blowing a 10 yr old when the janitor caught him in the shower & mcpussy saw him ass fucking a kid
Hope he fries
I’d like to take my Taylor Made driver and smack him across his forehead. Then stop him Morrell style.
this is such a joke on NBC right now
McQueary should have grab a hair dryer or something to break that rape up.
Now there is a report that MM did break up the incident in the shower. Scary times with the media running away with stories before there is time for facts to come out. Insta-media is dangerous
The kid turned all the showers on. We were horsing around. I slipped. My dick fell into his ass.
What kind of an attorney would allow his client to be interviewed on national television or anywhere else for that matter?
That interview will be enough to convict the dirty rotten scumbag…he’s toast
Sexually attracted to young boys?…well uhhhhhhh….uuhhhhhh….uhhhhhhh…my dick has a mind of its own.
The judge, a benefactor to Sanduskys child rape mill, allowing Sandusky to walk without paying a penny for bail.
The original DA missing and presumed dead.
Sanduskys current lawyer knocking up a 17 yr old he helped emancipate before marrying
A child rape witnessing ginger with no soul and his do nothing daddy teaming up with old joe paterno and all of penn st, the media, and the police to protect a man raping little boys.
Pennsylvania seems as if it really fucking sucks.
Ahhh! Denial! It’s a wonderful thing for sick freaks like Sandusky.
This guy is a sick sick man! He messed up those kids, their familys and the community of PSU aka the whole state of PA… Enjoy your free time before you sit in jail!
I doubt he’ll be doing much sitting once he’s in jail.
Riiiiight Jerry, all these kids just made it up. Because they just want the attention that comes along with being a victim of rape when they were a child.
the boy would probably say it never happened. uh yeah, he was raped by a person he was supposed to be able to trust. thats why these things dont get reported. HA DUR
Sandusky is guilty as f*ck & he also didn’t utilize LaVar Arrington the right way during the 99 season
“Costas: So you found him, the commonwealth has not.
Lawyer: Yeah. Interesting, isn’t it?”
translation: We paid a 20 year old man to offer testimony that contradicts McQueary’s.
The grand jury report describes how Sandusky, his wife, and a Sandusky friend left voice mails for Victim 7 to return their calls before he testified to grand jury. Victim 7 did not comply with those requests.
Gotta give Costas credit…he held nothing back in this interview. You could almost tell how disgusted he was even speaking to this sick fuck.
It appears assistant Penn State football coach Mike McQueary is consulting with an attorney with the Harrisburg law firm Strokoff and Cowden.
How can a grown man mistake “balls deep in a 10 yr old” with “horsing around.”
Dark side of men? Don’t be so dumb everybody. Men are every day, any time of the night, gawking at all kinds of pornography on their computers. I am married to the kindest, sweetest man and he has a dark fantasy side about sex. I am not surprised at Sandusky’s secret performance. He was this nice kindof guy that everybody liked…but his dark side behavior is very common of many men married, or not, young or old. Don’t forget it is Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
I don’t know about you, unknown, but my sexual fantasies are more about places my fiancee and I could do things, not HAVING MY WAY WITH TEN YEAR OLD BOYS.
Dark side of sex my ass. This guy is an absolute creep, and I hope he gets the book thrown at his boy-loving dick.
That said, there’s only one thing missing from this story: NAMBLA coming to Sandusky’s aid.
The Professore called again for the immediate adoption of emergency regulatory and registration provisions that have been proposed by the League repeatedly over the past four years. The draft legislation includes a new provision—”Juliet’s Law”—imposing fines or imprisonment for failure to report the presence of either poisons or daggers within 100 feet of an unaccompanied minor.
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