Sticky Post: Phillies Hot Stove

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3:58 PM: Another potential suitor (albeit an unlikely one) for Jimmy Rollins, the Brewers, signed Alex Gonzalez

2:14 in the PM: The Winter Meetings are pretty much over with, but we're talking with Mike Stutes about the Phillies' offseason at 2:30 over on Broad Street Radio. Give it a listen.

11:47 AM: The Phillies left the Winter Meetings without signing Jimmy Rollins: []

"Nothing is scheduled (with Rollins' agent Dan Lozano), but I'm sure we'll be in touch with each other sometime soon," general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said after the Rule 5 draft brought an official close to the winter meetings. "I'm concerned about filling that spot, but overall I'm not concerned."


Read: I went to Stanford and play figurative poker for a living. If you don't think that I'm still sitting on a pair of Aces, you're out of your fucking mind.


11:36 AM: Shane Victorino and Jimmy Rollins discuss Jimmy Rollins' contract:

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10:13 AM: And Pujols' agent, Dan Lozano, can buy himself A LOT of hookers with his commission. But he still has one client to worry about before going cheekbones deep in lady:

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10:08 AM: Deal is for 10 years, $250 million. No-trade clause. Wow. America will now be able to watch baseball's best player… three times a year on Sunday Night Baseball. Somewhere, a monkey claps on a giant jumbotron.

10:03 AM: Buster Olney also confirms, Pujols to Angels, per a source.

9:59 AM: Yahoo!'s Tim Brown reports that the Angels will sign Albert Pujols– 10 year, $250-$260 million. 

8:36 AM: Phillies aren't saying Rollins deal is close, but it seems most likely, according to Jon Heyman.

7:56 AM: Jayson Stark opines on the third, mystery team believed to be involved with Albert Pujols, in addition to the Cardinals and Angels. He says the following: []

The identity of the reported third team remained unknown. But people within the sport suggested it was likely to be a club that has an established, big-name first baseman it would need to trade before it could complete a deal with Pujols.

Just a few days ago, it appeared that Pujols was likely to sign with either the Cardinals or Marlins this week. Now, said one source who had spoken with Pujols' camp, there is "no shot" that Pujols will make a decision before the meetings end — and, possibly, any time soon.



Let's throw some shit at the wall and speculate on an unknown source's speculation. What are some teams with "big-name" first basemen that might be able to afford Albert: Red Sox (Adrian Gonzalez), Yankees (Mark Teixeira), Tigers(?) (Miguel Cabrera), and Phillies (Ryan Howard). Those are probably the only teams that could play ball, if Stark's people know what they're talking about. Buster Olney says it's probably not the Yankees. Chew on that for a while.

Of course, trading a player with a torn Achilles would be a next to impossible task unless a desperate Midwestern team wanted to fill the void left by one of the greatest players in baseball history with a hometown kid who happens to be pretty good. But again, this is a hypothetical.

12:34 AM: Raul Ibanez, Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Madson all decline arbitration.


11:30 PM: As if you needed to know this, Jimmy Rollins says on Twitter that he's officially declining the Phillies arbitration offer. That was entirely expected.

In an unrelated matter, now would also be a good time to point out that Philly Sports Daily's Jim McCormick predicted the drunken blackjack the Marlins are currently playing… in September.

11:23 PM: Todd Zolecki received the same text as Salisbury, apparently– he says no deal tonight with Rollins. The Phillies didn't meet with Lozano today, presumably because he was working on the biggest contract in the history of baseball for his other client, Albert Pujols.

11:08 PM: It's entirely possible Ruben Amaro is currently holed up in a hotel room with two coeds, a bottle of pino and curiously scattered feathers everywhere, all while texting Phillies beat writers conflicting reports, just to show off for the ladies. Jim Salisbury refutes Bob Brookover's report that the Phillies met with Rollins' agent tonight.

10:37 PM: Madson declines arbitration offer from Phillies, according to Jon Heyman. Goodbye, Ryan Madson.

10:28 PM: In the world of hockey, Claude Giroux just finished all over Ryan Miller. Literally. But in Dallas, Jim Salisbury expects that Scott Boras will soon announce (?) that Ryan Madson will NOT accept arbitration.

8:54 PM on the correct coast: The Inquirer's Bob Brookover, who uses Twitter surprisingly well, says Rollins' crummy agent, Dan Lozano (who is the most popular man in Dallas right now– with MLB teams and hookers), is meeting with the Phillies. Deal looks like it could get done soon.

7:11 PM: And Ruben Amaro is dripping smug all over my keyboard. When told about Rollins' agent canceling a meeting with the Brewers, Amaro said: []

"That's good news, I guess. I haven't heard that yet. I hope it's true."


That sound you hear is him smacking his wang on the table– my shortstop!

7:07 PM: A Boston reporter says that the Phillies are not sure whether Madson will accept their arbitration offer. Well no shit.

6:57 PM: A second meeting between the Brewers and Rollins' agent, Dan Lozano, was cancelled. It was at that point the Brewers knew J-Roll™ was headed back to Philly. Nothing is official, but it's another sign that the Phillies and Rollins are close.

Also, Bob Nightengale still insists that Pujols has three offers of $200 million or more, and that's with the Marlins' offer being off the table: Cardinals, likely Cubs and ???

6:29: Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post reports that the Nationals could be going after Roy Oswalt, who may be their number two option after Mark Buehrle, now that he has signed with the Marlins.

5:38 PM: It appears Jim Duquette took a momentary piss all over the Philly sports landscape– Todd Zolecki also denies his report, saying that a deal between the Phillies and Rollins isn't done. That doesn't mean it won't get done (it now sounds like it will), but it's not done yet.

5:18 PM: Jim Salisbury reports that sources on both sides deny there being a deal, yet.

5:14 PM: Jayson Stark denies report, saying there is no deal in place.

5:12 PM: MLB Network analyst Dan Duquette reports that the Phillies and Jimmy Rollins have reached an agreement. No details given. Stay tuned.

Also, a man fell in the fountain at the Winter Meetings hotel yesterday. If you haven't seen it yet, MLB has video of it here.

2:38 PM: Ken Bow Tie checks in again. He says the Phillies are still persistant on Gio Gonzalez. All jokes aside, Rosenthal hasn't slept in three days.

1:03 PM: Confliction!!! Ken Rosenthal reports a deal between the Phillies and Rollins is not imminent. Jon Heyman says it's "likely to happen." Deal would be at least three years, maybe four. Brewers still feel he's headed back to Philly. What chaos. Ladies and gentlemen, your Winter Meetings!

12:49 PM in the East: Multiple reports say the Phillies are close to re-signing Jimmy Rollins. Brewers beat reporter Tom Haudricourt (yo, vowels) is "hearing that Jimmy Rollins is staying with the Phillies," and ESPN's Chris Singleton thinks it will get done soon, too. via Hardball Talk

11:58 AM: Closer update– Huston Street went to the Padres. The Rockies are now hard (mountain joke) for Brad Lidge, a Denver area native. The Rockies are also interested in Michael Cuddyer and Cody Ross.

With Street going to San Diego, and Lidge being a target of the Rockies, the list of potential suitors may be dwindling for Ryan Madson, who could be forced to accept the Phillies’ arbitration offer. Yesterday, in our discussion on Broad Street Radio, Phillies beat writer Ryan Lawrence appropriately described the situation as musical chairs: Madson may be left standing when all the seats are filled. Good for us, bad for him.

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9:48 AM: ESPN's Jim Bowden and his molester hair report that the Phillies have discussed with the A's the possibility of trading Domonic Brown for Gio Gonzalez. No further details were given, but I truly don't understand the logic of trading a young, high-potential hitter (as skeptical as we may be) for another pitcher… unless the Phillies do, in fact, plan on trading Hamels, as was earlier reported to be a possibility by Ken Rosenthal

It's not completely crazy to think that the Phillies would trade an Ace, but said move would have to free up some dough to sign another impact player. Example: if the Phillies trade Brown for Gonzalez, then move Hamels, there would have to be another move coming… otherwise it makes no sense. Unless, of course, Ruben has completely thrown in the towel on Dom Brown, who posts stuff like this on Facebook:

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7:33 AM: A lot happened overnight. First of all, Ken Rosenthal doesn't sleep– that should be noted. Now, here are the details:

– The third team in the Albert Pujols sweepstakes is the Angels, not the Phillies. The Marlins have offered Pujols a contract which includes provisions beyond is playing career. Here's an link to Jayson Stark's story, complete with a molesty-looking Jim Bowden and a tired Tim Kurkjian on an autoplay video.

– The Phillies have, however, entered the Gio Gonzalez sweepstakes, if such a thing exists. Gonzalez, the 26-year-old lefty who was 16-12 last year with a 3.12 ERA for the A's, could mean the end of Cole Hamels: [FOX Sports]

The Phillies, on the other hand, are something of a surprise in the Gonzalez sweepstakes, given the strength of their rotation and high number of prospects they have traded in recent seasons.

But the idea makes sense. The addition of Gonzalez would give the Phils the depth to trade left-hander Cole Hamels — give them or a ready-made replacement if Hamels leaves as a free agent after next season.

The potential suitors for Hamels? See the teams listed above [Tigers, Diamondbacks, Marlins and Reds].


It sounds like there is a third dimension to this move that is going unmentioned, or is more likely unknown.

Jon Heyman reports that Aramis Ramirez is "all but out of" the Phillies' picture, which hurts their leverage with Jimmy Rollins.


9:32 PM: Just to calm you down, Jim Salisbury reports that the Phillies are not the mystery team in on Pujols. Of course, mystery teams rarely like to be identified.

In my mind, Salisbury's source is Amaro, and that conversation (via text) played out thusly:

JS: Hey Rube, Jim here– you guys third team?

RA: Fuck outta here.

JS: OK, thanks.

9:03 PM: Multiple reports have a third, dare I say mystery team in on Pujols. Said team, along with the Cardinals and Marlins, have offered Pujols a 10-year contract, but declined to be identified. No word on who it is.

Now, it would be totally unrealistic… but how fucking crazy would it be if all along when Rube was meeting with Dan Lozano, who is the agent for both Rollins and Pujols, they were talking about Albert, not J-Roll™? – manical laugh, maniacal laugh

3:45 PM: Pat Gillick, who preaches getting to know a player before acquiring him, actually met with Aramis Ramirez in the Dominican Republic last month, according to Jim Salisbury. So the Phillies' interest in him certainly isn't new.

Clearly, that meeting went well enough for the Phillies to continue their pursuit. No word on what Gillick was wearing, but I'd imagine it was either a Hawaiian shirt or something similar to what he was wearing when I saw him standing outside a Days Inn in Clearwater Beach last spring:

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3:09 PM: Inquirer beat writer Matt Gelb weighs in on the Madson-arbitration discussion, too:

Madson made $4.5 million in 2011 as one of the game's top closers. If he accepts arbitration, he would receive a sizable raise for a one-year deal. Purely guessing, but the ceiling is likely around $9 million. Maybe less.

The Phillies could then try to trade Madson to a team that is more comfortable with having him on a one-year deal or simply keep him to form the best setup-closer combo in baseball for one season.

What would be Madson's incentive to accept? He could be a free agent next winter in a market not saturated with closing options. He would still have a high visibility as the setup man on the Phillies. He'd be in a familiar environment.


Full story here.

2:52 PM: Stark now ruminates that, with closer openings going away, Ryan Madson may be forced into accepting arbitration (for one year) with the Phillies. That… would suck for Madson, who would presumably be relegated to setup man, and forced to test the market again next year. 

Delco Times beat writer Ryan Lawrence, who stopped by our radio show today, thought that the chances of Madson accepting arbitration could be as great as 50/50.

Great for Phillies… lousy for Mad Dog.

1:23 PM: Jayson Stark lays out the Phillies' plan, saying that they are not "shopping" Polanco, but will consider trading him if they are unable to sign Rollins. The thinking is that if Rollins goes elsewhere, the Phillies will need to replace his bat with a guy like Aramis Ramirez or Michael Cuddyer. To make room, especially for Ramirez, they would have to trade Polanco.

Problems: They're only willing to pay about a third of the $7.25 million left on Polanco's contract (God, what a shitty deal– $6.25 next year, $1 million buyout following year). Teams want the Phillies to eat more of it. Also, losing J-Roll™ and Polanco would mean a precipitous drop-off in defense– the Phillies would likely fill Rollins' spot with minor leaguer Freddy Galvis. Read the full report here.

12:48 PM: A Brewers reporter, um, reports that Brewers GM Doug Melvin also met with Lozano yesterday, but no offer was made.

12:39 PM: Ken Rosenthal takes a short respite from representing the Lollipop Guild to bring us this update– he says that the Phillies and Dan Lozano, Rollins' crummy agent, met "late into the night" last night. Which means it's entirely possible hookers were involved (I'm only half joking).

An earlier photo of Lozano, posted by Deadspin two weeks ago: [click to enlarge]

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Jeez, he's attacking that thing with the vigor of an old lady hopping into a cold pool. Get in there, my man! If this is any indiciation of his tepid approach with Rube, J-Roll™ is going to come away with a one-year, $1.33 million deal… which would be just fine by me.

10:36 AM: Jon Heyman, who recently left SI for CBS, checks in saying that the Phillies' interest in Aramis Ramirez is "real," but it's lukewarm– they seem to be using it more for leverage with Rollins. He also throws out some other options. The "kid" is Freddy Galvis:

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9:14 AM: Morning, children. Not a lot happening overnight– it seems most of the news coming out of the Winter Meetings the last 12 hours centers around Albert Pujols, and rightfully so. Some AM reading on the Phils: video of Amaro speaking with CSN, Bob Brookover spins something out of nothing and writes about Aramis Ramirez and Freddy Galvis filling Rollins' role, Brewers looking at J-Roll™George Sherrill? and assistant GM Scott Proefrock on why the Phillies didn't go after Reyes.

Also, reader "Nike Shox shoes" (real name?) checks in down in the comments. He says: "I'm sure it's not me, but doesn't Kyle mention a penis in every post? The daily update is called Morning Wood for god's sake."

I don't know what you're talking about, ya dick.


10:31 PM: Jayson Stark reports that the Phillies and Jimmy Rollins' agent may meet again tonight.

7:43 PM: Scrath that last one– CSN's Jim Salisbury says that the Phillies and Camp Ramirez have nothing scheduled tonight.

7:04 PM: After a brief break for dinner and a frustrating distraction with the new Sixers mascot selections, we're back and ready to go. Looks like Matt Gelb of the Inquirer is kicking a little ass this evening. He reports that Ruben Amaro has "dug in," or, as I like to say, "whipped it out." 

Ladies and gentlemen, your GM via Gelb:

"Honestly, there is no rush to do anything [with Rollins]"… And on his meeting with Rollins' agent, Dan Lozano: "It was a meeting."

Ohh smug. This isn't going to end well for Rollins, Lozano or his hookers. In fact, Amaro plans to meet with the agent for Aramis Ramirez tonight. Ramirez is either a Plan B for the Phillies or a pile of chips in Amaro's poker game. We shall see.

4:35 PM in the East: Happy hour must have started way early in Dallas. Very few updates in the last few hours. It's entirely possible that a drunken Ruben Amaro is trying to pawn off a useless Placido Polanco. That or he's waterboarding Rollins' agent.

Many more (real) updates after the jump. This is a sticky post– newer posts are below.

3:42 PM: Ruben Amaro just sexted Jimmy Rollins a picture of his wang: Does this look like it belongs to someone who will blink first?

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Either that or the Big Poker is just trying to put the fear of God in Jimmy Rollins: I'll do it, I'll fucking do it, Jimmy. I sign Aramis and you're done here. Your move. Want to blink now?

3:04 PM in the East: "I gave the Phillies a discount the first time." – Jimmy Rollins

That quote, via a source of the Inquirer's Matt Gelb, who has more here. Gelb, like Salisbury, says that Rollins remains firm on his five-year demand, and the Aramis Ramirez rumors arose out of the "epic Roman battle" between Lozano and Amaro. It looks like Rube is ready to play hardball… Lozano may want to take cover… or call one of his hookers.

2:42 PM: Well, this isn’t surprising. Jim Salisbury gets his reporting on– he says that the meeting between Amaro and Lozano (Rollins’ agent) “did not go that well." Hmm… perhaps it did play out like that whole “epic Roman battle” thing from earlier. 

Sources tell Sully that J-Roll™ is still – ludicrously – asking for five years, a request that has led to the below Aramis Ramirez rumors. One source tells Salisbury those rumors are all smoke and mirrors, and merely serve as a bargaining chip with Rollins… another tells him that the Phillies are melodramatically coming to terms with the fact that J-Roll™ may not be a Phillie next year. Stay tuned.

2:15 PM: Hey, let's pile on Polly! It's like Hop on Pop, only with bad elbows, aching backs and huge heads, or whatever. Buster Olney dials in to the Twitter machine to bring you this update:

Phillies said to be very down on polanco because of injuries, lack of pop.


Ouch. True– but ouch. Can't say I disagree, however… The thinking is that they may be able to move Polly to acquire Aramis Ramirez.

1:04 PM: Nats reliever Tyler Clippard wishes his friend well. Cute.

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12:58 PM: Ken Rosenthal is on his game today. He reports that one "rival exec" says the Phillies are actively shopping Placido Polanco and his many ailments so they can sign Aramis Ramirez.

12:22 PM: Ken Rosenthal checks in from bow-tie land– the Phillies deal with Nix is apparently worth $2.5 million and should not preclude Ruben from slapping is dick on other bargaining tables, thankfully.

Also, one rival agent tells Rosenthal that there is an "epic Roman battle" between the Big Poker and Rollins. I'd imagine J-Roll's™ crummy agent, Dan Lozano, is the one supplying some hooker with the war helmet… but what do I know? If the Phillies can't come to terms with Rollins, their next option is… minor leaguer Freddy Galvis. I just gulped

11:46 AM: Agents feel that it's more and more likely that Michael Cuddyer stays in Minnesota. No surprise– especially as it relates to the Phillies. Thome, Wigginton and Nix don't leave much room for the 32-year-old right fielder.

10:36 AM: Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post tweets that the Phillies are "strong players" for Aramis Ramirez…

10:09 AM: Rollins Tweeted with our friends over at (@SportsTalkPhila). He actually gave a little bit of insight. Says there's no timetable. 

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10:03 AM: Buster Olney spoke with perpetual liar Ruben Amaro– he said that the Phillies have not had any contract extension talks with Cole Hamels, but he has spoken with Jimmy Rollins' crummy agent, Dan Lozano. Rollins appears to be top priority for the Phillies.

9:15 AM: Jon Heyman says the Phillies haven't ruled out going after Michael Cuddyer, another slow, plodding white guy.



129 Responses

  1. I can honestly say that for the third off-season in a row, I have no i-fucking-dea what RAJ is thinking or plotting on.
    It just better be good.

  2. Hopefully they can fit Aramis and Jimmy into the budget. I guess they would then trade Polly and his $6.5 million to make room?

  3. I don’t get all the white guy stuff?! Who cares? I agree with FACE though… I hope this is all part of a bigger picture. Rube is a confusing man.

  4. Aramis will turn 34 this year is likely looking to make one last big FA payday. Not so sure it’s wise to put a lot of money into another mid-30’s player…

  5. I agree with Jeff. Haven’t we been down this road before??? Aramis is not going to take a deal less than 3 years, not to mention the type of $ it will cost.

  6. Jeff, please be sure to include race/nationality when referring to any over 30 MLB players. Thank you.

  7. …meh…well what would it take to get Wright from the Mets’ then?
    It’s a fire sale up there can they get em’ on the cheap? Fuck, send em’ that Canadian Aumont kid.

  8. the marlins aren’t going to win the world series. they have two of the worst personalities in sports as the corner of their franchise.

  9. I agree with Jeff, I just dont like the idea of adding another aging bat for an insane price. Ramirez def also hasn’t been that great over the years.

  10. I would like to get both Aramis Ramirez, and Rollins… couldn’t hurt. I would not mind trading Ty Wigginton off to another team for prospects.

  11. Rollins is a fuck. hes still got his glove but his bat is completely gone. i say let him walk. this teams not winning a world series as long as chase and howard are in the lineup anyway. so let galvis come up give him his shot and sign another ss this offseason. just to be safe assuming galvis sucks (which is likely)

  12. I can’t wait to see the Marlins blow up with 2 punks (Ramirez and Reyes) on the field and a lunatic (Guillen) in the dugout. It could be a nuclear holocaust

  13. Maybe Rube and Montgomery are prepared to say fuck the luxury tax and sign A-Ram and J-Roll. If not we won’t miss a beat defensively with the kid Galvis and anything he contributes in the 8 hole is a plus.

  14. AR might be 33, but he has hit over 25 HR 7 of the last 8 years. The RBIs have been down a little but a little of that is because none of the other Cubs can hit worth a shit except for big Z

  15. AR also plays at wrigley field. I could hit 25 hr’s there, he’s to old,, thought the object was to get younger

  16. jimmy absolutely gave the team a discount last time that allowed the phils to sign utley and howard longterm as well as clear some cash for the pickups that have made this run possible. he deserves to be rewarded for that.
    he is also the heart of this team and has been for a decade. and taking care of jimmy will show cole that the phils do reward their homegrown talent and possibly lead to easier negotiations with him.
    but five years is a little ridiculous. i am all for giving him a PILE of cash (back a truck up), but maybe just three years with an option, you know?
    but the freddy galvis era does not sound to me like a world series run would be in the near future…

  17. Galvis isn’t ready. The best SS on the market not named Jimmy Rollins is Rafael Furcal.
    I’d say they’re pretty screwed if they don’t sign him.
    @ The Eyeroller- I agree. 5 years is a bit much. I’d even go 4 with a mutual 5th option. They have to sign him though.
    Rube’s nuts are hanging out in this negotiation. He has no leverage and he’s dealing with a complete scumbag in Lozano. The Aramis Ramirez talk just gave him less leverage if anything. I bet Lozano laughed his ass off at that.

  18. the last three years J-roll has been paid accordingly based on his production.
    8.5 million is about right for what he has done in 2009, 2010, and 2011. He speed has diminished dramatically. His plate discipline sucks, and always has. Ive seen him swing at the first god damn pitch all the time only to hit a shallow pop up. He has stolen fewer bases, BUT has increasingly been caught stealing more. From 2001 to 2007, he played an average of around 156 games a season. Since 2007 he has made trip(S) to the DL in every season, missing an average of 25 games. He has NEVER been a decent lead-off hitter. You used to be able to expect him to hit at least .280… now we might as well accept .240 with his aging skills.
    The reality is that Jimmy was in his prime from 2004 to 2007. During those four years he excelled and had many accomplishments. That doesn’t mean the phillies have to pay patronage to him because of stats he put up 5 years ago. If Jimmy “took a discount for us one time already” then thats his own damn fault. Jimmy Rollins has not established himself enough to deserve a 5 year contract worth around 75 million. The players on this team who have received these large contracts (Halladay, Lee, Howard, Utley) are players who at the time were able to display they were capable of playing at the high caliber that the money warranted. Jimmy Rollins has not shown that he is able to put up the stats that his desired contract warrants.

  19. At this point, let J-Roll go and sign Ramirez. Try to trade Polanco to a team in need of a second baseman (which is his more natural position) for a “defense first” shortstop and maybe a situational lefthanded reliever. If you can’t do that then let Galvis mature at the plate in the big leagues… because everyone agrees that he can already field the sh*t out of the ball.
    Seriously… imagine this line-up: Victorino-CF, Utley-2B, Pence-RF, Howard-1B, Ramirez-3B, Mayberry/Nix – LF, Chooch-C, Galvis-SS, Pitcher’s Spot. They’d still win 100 games.

  20. I’m sure it’s not me, but doesn’t Kyle mention a penis in every post. The daily update is called Morning Wood for god’s sake. Please, no more mentions of Roman helmets and sexting and dicks slapping against things.

  21. I’m sure it’s not me, but doesn’t Kyle mention a penis in every post. The daily update is called Morning Wood for god’s sake. Please, no more mentions of Roman helmets and sexting and dicks slapping against things.

  22. ^it’s just you. which is kinda wierd. so you should probably reevaluate your life and the people/influences in it

  23. question, why does Aramis have to be Plan B, why couldn’t they both be brought in? Ramirez plays 3rd base, if we trade Polanco and his salary away, and we still need a SS pretty sure Ramirez can’t play that…

  24. Kenneth H. Rosenthal is an American sportswriter and reporter and was involved in a controversial segment of ESPN’s Outside the Lines..Nice information..

  25. The old wh*te guys on the phils have to hate J Roll playing DJ in the lockerroom

  26. They need to make a trade for a younger SS like Stephen Drew & get a nice bat for 3B or LF. They also need to gauge if they’ll be able to sign Cole – if they know it’s a long-shot they could do a sign-and-trade & land a young Superstar like Carlos Gonzalez (also would have to include a guy like Dom Brown). Can’t keep committing all this money to over 30 guys or you’ll be sacrificing re-signing guys like Cole & eventually Pence.

  27. And I know I’ll catch a lot of crap suggesting Cole might leave, but he could fetch 8yrs 200 mil on the open market next year. They need to figure out what to do with him. You cant let him walk for nothing and if you wait & let him test the market you’ll have to match an insane offer at that point to keep him

  28. I made the original comment, which was copied by someone else, as some constructive criticism. I did provide three examples from this post. You don’t have to be Umberto Eco to make this point (I’m surprised someone else hasn’t). I take it as a crutch (most people would rather be homophobic).

  29. Why don’t the Phils try for switch-hitting Emilio Bonifacio? The Marlins won’t be needing him anymore, and he’s cheap, young, and can get on base. Fast too.

  30. @Blonders …or that Rollins is too expensive and they’re trying to give Galvis more time to develop.


  32. Point of clarification please: Is it or is it not alright to approve of white people (currently)?

  33. I don’t see how if we bring Rollins back and keep Polanco its going to help this team at all, we haven’t (as of yet) got better at all as a team. And I don’t see it happening at all if they are only willing to bring in Ramirez if we miss out on Rollins.

  34. Well, Aramis won’t remind anyone of Brooks Robinson with the glove, but his bat would be more than welcome in Philly.

  35. Ruben spoke about changing the lineup after the phillies were exposed for the 3rd straight year. Start with Rollins. Have him take his punk swagger and get the f out of town. He can jog out ground balls elsewhere.

  36. If the Phillies are the mystery team for
    Pujols….Rube’s got the BIGGEST set ever.

  37. Ramirez and Galvis can’t do much worse at the plate than Rollins and Polanco did last year. Polanco was down right brutal after he got hurt.
    Getting Madson back through arbitration and having him be the setup for one more season would be an A+ move.


  39. J Roll & his lazy Bobby Abreu approach gots to goooo. I head from a few players that his clubhouse music he plays is terrible toooo

  40. What’s this nonsense about trading Cole Hamels? Unless they think they can parlay that into Gio, David Wright, and prospects… ? Regardless… this seems like madness.

  41. Reading the part about the possibility of trading Cole Hamels makes my blood boil. If that were to happen, I would to have to seriously question the direction and leadership of this organization, which I have strongly supported over the better part of 10 years.
    Trade Cole Hamels, come on. What sense does that make?

  42. You can’t trade Hamels. You just can’t do it. That makes absolutely no sense.
    I really hope all of the winter meeting rumors are just that, RUMORS, because there’s been nothing good coming out of them for the Phills.

  43. …and at this point with Rollins, fuck it. 3 years 4th year option and if he doesn’t like it, start talking to Florida about Hanley Ramirez. He doesn’t want to play third. I’m DOWN!

  44. Dom, Worley and May for Gio. Then if they really want to trade Hamels send him to TOR for Lawrie, D’Arnaud, Gillies, and/or Drabek? I can see RAJ hanging dong on this because idk how they can afford 3 pitchers making $20+mil and that albatross of a contract Howard as well. Then re-sign Oswalt? It would be a Paul Holmgren-esque makover.

  45. I’m just waiting for RAJ to shock the baseball world again by swooping out of nowhere for a huge name.

  46. I want no part of a hamels tradE. Just pay the man, lock him up. Now onto Gio, yeah would love him to be our fourth horse. Id give up dom, Worely, and stutes.

  47. @Todd
    as a reminder since youre not listening
    RAJ is a fuckin turd .. dont get your hopes up
    Beez Nutz

  48. It pains me to say this because he is our steed, but I’d rather them trade Cliff Lee then Hamels. Hamels is younger and still has the potential to get better.

  49. I think the Phils are going to try to make a play for David Wright.
    And I’m a big Hamels fan, but do you really want to pay Cliff Lee money for a guy who still hasn’t even come close to winning 20 games? I don’t think so.
    Trading Dom Brown for Gio? Yikes! So he couldn’t be traded for Halladay, but now he could be traded for Gio Gonzalez? That doesn’t speak well of Brown at all. He’s turning into Marlon Byrd II.
    And I think Pujols will sign in Anaheim.

  50. Why all the man-love for Michael Young? He’s old (and white, in keeping with the themes here)… If I’m trading Hamels, I better have a young stud 3B and some prospects when the wheelin’s done (ahem, David Wright?). Michael Young and David Murphy ain’t worth it.
    Really, if I’m RAJ, I’m not trading Hamels, end of story.

  51. Uhm, how about they are in on Gio because they have ZERO intention on re-upping on Oswalt AND Dom brown’s value in this organization has completely tanked. Sorry, but Gio for Brown is a STEAL for the Phillies. And as much as Kyle seems to keep wanting it to happen, Cole Hamels is going nowhere. 4 players actually did their job vs. Cards in playoffs: Doc, Maddawg, BennyFresh, and… COLE. The steed choked the big one.

  52. Cole Hamels is likely to get a contract that rivals Lee and Sabathia….not likely that we re-sign him.

  53. Well, I’ll start by saying that you run a nice, comprehensive blog…but sometimes, as is the case here, I think you tend to over think a wee bit. I don’t believe that they intend to trade Hollywood at all. Sending Brown out for Gonzalez only means that they don’t think too highly of a kid who is rapidly getting a reputation for being a slight concrete head. Hey, they have 2 aces who are approaching mid 30’s and need ANOTHER young piece of the rotation…you know, to ADD to what Cole brings. Now, this could be wishful thinking on my part, but I don’t think this is the case. Dom Brown doesn’t exactly seem like the brightest bulb in the candelabra these days.

  54. Trading cole is such a stupid idea, no matter how much anyone tries to rationalize it. Hes our youngest ace, has the experience, and gets the job done. A big part of our game last year was Hamels going up against the 3rd and 4th pitchers in other teams rotation…You just wanna trade that away? And if our pitching staff couldn’t get it done last year, how is getting rid of one of its corner stones taking a step forward?

  55. If hamels has made it clear to management that he wants to test the market, then u could argue for trading him. If CJ fucking Wilson is a “prized free agent” then cole will more than likely get cliff lee money. Gio is under control for 3 more seasons. But I would like to see D-Brown play some more. But unless cole gets an extension from the team he will be traded to, then only a contender would want a rent a player. And no way RAJ trades cole train to an NL contender. So most likely an AL contender. Which would most likely be Texas, Detroit, Boston, yanks and maybe 2 other wildcards…

  56. One of my teachers knows Ryan Howard and he said that the fo doesn’t tell them much. He hasn’t heard much from j-roll and didn’t seem to think the Aramis theory had legs. What he did say he heard was talks the phils were most interested in upgrading 3rd with a trade for David Wright or Evan Longoria i’d imagine we trade dom brown and aumont and some low-level (class a) talent. I’d be fine to show jroll out if we can put in longo and stick galvis in the 8 hole

  57. well we supposedly just resigned jroll. don’t know the terms yet. I kinda hope it’s not long, I wanted to see what we got in Galvis.

  58. this same thing happened with madson before they turned around and signed pap.. It’s impossible to tell with this team

  59. Is there a second mystery team for pujols? I heard the marlins were out but there are still 3 teams with over $200 mil. offers.

  60. come ruben learn from the eagles and bring jimmy home already… you see what happened when they let b dawk go…

  61. Jimmy Rollins is nowhere near the likes of Brian Dawkins. Dawkins put his heart and soul out there on the field…Jimmy doesn’t even run out ground balls.

  62. Well, as long as the Fish are out of the running for Pujols. That’s all I care about. So, will they chase Prince Fielder now?
    Meanwhile, Jagr just scored, putting the Flyers up 4-3 on Buffalo after digging a first period there goal hole.

  63. consider the talent at shortstop in the league. It’s pretty low right now. We take it for granted to have at the very least a well above average shortstop every year. I don’t really wanna see what happens with someone like wilson valdez (whom i like as a utility guy) there all year

  64. Dawkins was the heart and soul of those eagles teams and rollins is the heart and soul of the phillies. who else leads that squad????

  65. You guys are such morons.
    Jimmy Rollins runs the defense and is an incredibly smart baseball player. There’s a reason both Charlie Manuel and Larry Bowa love him.

  66. for real doe. there isn’t a better option at short stop right now. big mistake not to bring him back

  67. @Ryan: You don’t watch much baseball, do you?
    When Eric Bruntlett had his unassisted triple play, it was Jimmy Rollins who was shouting instructions at him …
    J-Roll directs traffic all of the time on infield plays.
    And when the Phils are hitting, he calls balks on opposing pitchers oftentimes before the umpires see them.
    He’s a very smart baseball player.
    And the people calling him lazy are racist assholes.

  68. If reports of a mystery team are somehow true about that team having a big time first baseman, then it’s definitely the Phils. If the Yankees are out, why would the BoSox trade Gonzalez, who has a way more team friendly contract than 10yr-220mil. The Tigers wouldn’t trade a younger version of Albert (minus the defense). I am pre-ing in my pants with the possibility of this. The contract would either be around the same annually as Howard’s if not less. 10 years is a long time but he is a machine, remember?

  69. Shannon,
    If Jimmy was such a smart baseball player he wouldn’t be benched by the manager for not running out ground balls or constantly try to hit for power in the leadoff spot causing Charlie to put him in the 6 or 7 hole at times. The problem is he the lack of quality shortstops in the league. While he is great defensively, you do not lead a defense in baseball, its not football with different formations. I highly doubt Utley or Polanco need or have the time during the play to listen to Jimmy’s instructions, and how often do you see balks and triple plays in baseball?

  70. The only way to trade Howard is to throw in an incentive. Young talent. That means a top pitching prospect or Dom Brown. Would St. Louis do that with the size of Howard’s contract and his achilles injury? I don’t see why not.

  71. There is a similar blog dedicated to the phillies, not as funny as here though, that posted a good outline on which teams could be the other possible mystery teams. Of course, the Phillies are the leading contender.

  72. @Shannon So, when I see Chase Utley running his ass off on ground balls and almost beating some out, then look at Jimmy jogging on ones he could CLEARLY beat out…what do you call that then? Apparently not lazy, wouldn’t want to be racist!

  73. More like he is sitting on 3 and a half aces. Get it? GET IT? Because of the pitching rot—–ehhh you get it.

  74. Shannon, I don’t think YOU watch much baseball. All shortstops are supposed to do that, and most do, not that it actually helps. You also managed to cite some of the rarest plays in baseball in the balk and triple play. Why am I not surprised you’d play the race card to help bolster your poor argument? He IS lazy and it has nothing to do with his race.

  75. To compare B-Dawk to Jimmy Rollins is disgusting. They do not even belong in the same sentence.

  76. J Roll is so lazy & it has zero to do with skin color. Shannon get some facts & come back & see me

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