Here’s to the Crazy Ones: Claude Giroux

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Claude Giroux guarantees the Flyers will make the playoffs:

A few minutes after one of the most grueling practices of the season, Giroux said the Flyers can still figure a way to make it to the postseason.

“We’re not far off at all. How many points are we out, six?” Giroux asked rhetorically. “To think of the start that we had and we’re that close . . . we never thought about not making the playoffs. We’ve got to go game by game and we will make the playoffs.”

I admire his confidence. But this is why hockey players are so dumb. How many points are we out, six? YES, YOU’RE OUT SIX POINTS AFTER 8 GAMES(!!!). AT THIS RATE, YOU’LL MISS THE PLAYOFFS BY 60 POINTS.

We’re that close? NO.

Look, it’s early, and the Flyers can certainly climb out of a six-point hole. But someone might want to explain to Giroux that trends typically compound over time. The line keeps going up and to the right. Six points turns into 12 turns into 24 turns into 48 turns into 100 billion. This might be the dumbest athlete quote I’ve ever read. Ever.

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91 Comments

  • Talbot's Fucking Penis October 22, 2013 at 10:57 am

    If he comes out and says “We’re just gonna focus on next season”, then he gave up and he’s a piece of shit quitter who shouldn’t be captain. Give me a break…

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    • CJ October 22, 2013 at 10:59 am

      Exactly… I mean would you rather he was like “yeah, we suck. It’s over. Better luck next year I guess.” They have 74 games left, Kyle. Give me a fucking break

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    • ThePhillyFlash October 22, 2013 at 11:02 am

      Not for nothing, but Giroux shouldn’t be captain anyway, but he was the best choice from a shitty pool of candidates. As for his comment, it doesn’t bother me, if anything, because he wears the “C”, I expected him to say what he did. Sure, most fans think the Flyers don’t have a snowball’s chance of making the playoffs, but I appreciate Giroux being optimistic.

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      • Sal Governale October 22, 2013 at 11:45 am

        Kimmo, should’ve been given the C last year

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        • Talbot's Fucking Penis October 22, 2013 at 12:36 pm

          The “C” is the most overrated thing in all of sports. The purpose behind it is to have someone facilitate communication with the referee, and the “A” does it when the captain is on the bench…that’s the purpose of it, nothing more. Real leadership is in the locker room, not a letter on your sweater. Him or whoever else wearing the “C” isn’t the reason for failure or success on a hockey team.

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          • Dsmith October 22, 2013 at 3:18 pm

            Except when Richards was a cancer captain …

  • Logical human person October 22, 2013 at 10:59 am

    shut up hes doing his fucking job as the captain of this team

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  • CrossingYawn October 22, 2013 at 11:04 am

    You can always tell who knows about hockey & who doesn’t. Kyle does not. Stick to Marcus Vick posts, dawg.

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  • Ron October 22, 2013 at 11:10 am

    You’re extrapolating based on the first 7 games, which Giroux is going to assume is an outlier not a trend. So in that sense he’s right; being only 6 points out of a playoff spot isn’t really that big a deal.

    Their thought process as players is that they’re 6 pts behind, which is 3 wins really .. they have plenty of time to get their shit together in other words. So there’s no reason to incite panic.

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  • Deezy October 22, 2013 at 11:11 am

    This is what happens when Kyle tries to write a few original paragraphs. Anything good on Twitter today that you can post some screenshots of?

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Claude is such a pussy to the media. I miss Richie putting those nerds in their place. Kings ’14.

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  • Kyle Scott October 22, 2013 at 11:37 am

    You guys all obviously missed this part: “I admire his confidence. But this is why hockey players are so dumb. How many points are we out, six? YES, YOU’RE OUT SIX POINTS AFTER 8 GAMES(!!!). AT THIS RATE, YOU’LL MISS THE PLAYOFFS BY 60 POINTS.”

    Of course he has to remain confident. But explaining ONLY 6 POINTS eight games in is very, very wrong. They’re awful. Six points, in October, is actually a big deal. Like I said, like his confidence, but he sounds like an idiot.

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    • Ugh October 22, 2013 at 11:44 am

      right…then you said 6 turns to 12 which turns to 24 and so on….it could also go from 6 points out to 2 points out to 7th seed to 4th seed

      remember that time you also said the eagles were going to hold the broncos to under 30 points

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    • Double Ugh October 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Remember that time you posted a photo of Tye McGinn and said it was Eric Wellwood?

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      • Triple Ugh October 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm

        Remember the time last year when the flyers didn’t make the playoffs cause they weren’t good and are now 1-7 cause they still aren’t good…..why would that change? Typical delusional fans.

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        • Ugh April 9, 2014 at 8:26 pm

          I know its months later and hindsight is on my side but yeahhhhhhh…

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    • Andy Schreiber October 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm

      What Bowa used to say about baseball is very much applicable to this situation with the Flyers:

      “You can’t win the pennant in April, but you can sure lose it.”

      This team can miss the playoffs in October if it doesn’t start winning soon.

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    • Brian October 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm

      He is being realistic and talking about the grand scheme of things where 6 points is not a big deal. Teams get hot and cold all the time. The season isn’t 8 games long. Don’t try to make yourself out to be some guru with some pessimistic numbers game.

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    • Ron October 22, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      Again, you’re extrapolating a full season based on < 10% of season being played. There's 74 games left to play, and they're 6 points out.

      If they go 10-72 of course they're going to miss the playoffs. Nobody really expects that though.

      It's not wrong. They ARE only 6 points out, despite how poorly they've played. 6 points in October is NOT a big deal. You're making way too much of this. Must be a slow news day.

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  • tone October 22, 2013 at 11:41 am

    No one (especially the captain) should even be talking about the playoffs…the season just started. But Giroux is not a leader and he is physically weak with the puck.

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    • Cartman October 22, 2013 at 11:52 am

      What part of “have to go game by game” did you not understand? He’s talking about the playoffs because he was most likely asked about the playoffs and how far out they currently are. Is he just supposed to ignore the question?

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      • tone October 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm

        He could have easily said “it’s still early but we’ve got to go game-by-game and we’re gonna have to improve if we want to make the playoffs.” Don’t say flat out, “we will make the playoffs”, that’s just dumb no matter what he truly believes. Get a clue dude.

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        • a October 22, 2013 at 1:38 pm

          I dont see the stupidity here. A captain proclaiming his team will rise from the gutter? Maybe some accountability is exactly what they need…

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          • tone October 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm

            Usually things like this are said near the all-star break when you have a decent idea of what your team is made of, not 8 games into the season. The timing is what’s dumb.

  • TJ October 22, 2013 at 11:42 am

    i was expectingf a Candy comment when I saw this article. Candy are you ok?????

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  • Junkhead October 22, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Instead of trying to be optimistic or extrapolating numbers out to the Nth degree, perhaps the way to look at this situation is to ask if we have seen any reason to believe that this trend won’t continue? In other words, what positive signs have we seen to make us believe they can turn it around?
    The team’s internal structure (Coach, GM, etc.) is in disarray. Offense has been nonexistent. Power play is awful. No leadership. Second and third line players who appear to be fourth liners at best on other teams.
    The goaltending has been good but I’m at a loss when trying to come up with anything else that’s positive.

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    • Cartman October 22, 2013 at 11:54 am

      Actually, that’s why I think it IS a little positive. The big question marks going into the season were the goaltending and defense. So far, they’ve been surprisingly good. IF they can continue that, we know the offense is more talented. The goals will likely come, they’ve just been slumping (at a bad time).

      I’m not claiming this is a contender, or, hell, even a playoff team. But if you’re looking for positives, the fact that the D and goaltending have been better than expected is where I’d look.

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  • The Shot Girl from the Gold Club October 22, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Looks like G is doing a key bump of coke. Overrated pussy

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    • Double Ugh October 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm

      That’s Voracek

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  • Uncle Buck October 22, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Man, we should’ve just called the season over after game 1. Ya know because they were 0-1 and at that rate they would never win a game.

    Hockey playerz be dumb, yo.

    Kyle Scott doesn’t know shit about hockey.

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    • Kyle Scott October 22, 2013 at 12:28 pm

      Yeah, I’ve been so wrong about the Flyers these past few years.

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  • Kenny Junod October 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    The flyers are a pathetic team & franchise. When will these “I want to 69” Ed Snider apologists realize this????????????

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  • AL Tru October 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Goaltending looks good. put the puck in the net.

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  • Candy from the Oak October 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Can see G fake sleeping and jerking off to the flyers banging girls on a side note i heard Simmonds went to the bathroom when it was his turn to buy beers

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    • Dino Ciccarelli October 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      Hey candy how many points if I hit sim kinds with my car?

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  • Duke Ati October 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    There are 74 games left in the season. While they certainly in a hole, there are 74 games left in the season. But Giroux, Voracek and Read all need to start a snipshow. There’s 6 players who are poised to help save the Flyers season. http://philthybrass.com/flyers-suck-right-now/

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  • Kyle Scott October 22, 2013 at 12:31 pm

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    • Kyle Scott October 22, 2013 at 8:11 pm

      Black lined

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  • Booger October 22, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Heard Simmonds is a cowboys fan

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  • blue89 October 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    To me it kind of seemed like he was just being a little overly positive. Yeah its still early, but they’ve got a lot of problems and the rah rah “I believe in us!” BS coming from him and our new hockey genius head coach is not solving them. Its getting old.

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    All of you nerdy Flyers fans who are trying to defend Giroux here are the same dopes who tried to defend Holmgren when he traded away our best players a couple of years ago. The Flyers suck. They are not a playoff team. They’ve completely over valued every single one of their players (including Giroux). They had a great young nucleus of Richards/Carter/JVR/BOB/Giroux and ruined it. I love how geeky some Flyers fans are…time to face reality, dorks.

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    • Bob's Tavern October 22, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      so true…. so true

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    • Whoops October 22, 2013 at 1:29 pm

      Who seriously uses the words “nerd” and “geeky” as insults anymore? You sound like a cliche villain from an 80’s movie. Fucking tool.

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      • Declan October 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm

        I also used “dorks”. Cry about it, dawg.

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    • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm

      Yeah, because people like you and Kyle who incessantly whine about players who left years ago are clearly operating in reality. Dont be jealous just because us awful “type ob” fans like to objectively evaluate every player and situation instead of just kicking and screaming about richards and carter everytime a flyers conversation begins.

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      • Declan October 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        Objectively evaluate? There’s no way of “objectively evaluating” the Carter/Richards trades without figuring out that the Flyers incompetent/moronic GM got absolutely hosed and stupidly overreacted to an early round playoff loss (after a season in which the team was the best team in the league for the majority of season). Every player acquired in those deals are worse than the players in which they replaced. Most importantly, they used the free cap space they had to add a headcase goalie that everyone else knew was terrible. Keep being an apologist and “objectively evaluating”, though,

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        • Declan October 22, 2013 at 1:42 pm

          Also, the reason why folks like Kyle incessantly “whine about those players that left years ago” is because those moves are directly correlated to why this current roster stinks.

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          • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 1:53 pm

            Declan…see below reply. Not going to argue bryzgalov and other awful contracts, but if richie and carter were on this team now wed be in the same position. And you guys want facts?
            Point totals for Voracek and simmonds since the dreaded richie carter deals: 95 and 81.

            Point totals for carter and richards in the same time: 34 and 76.

            Thats not sugarcoating, apologizing, making excuses, or naively sucking the flyers dicks. Thats fact. And those are just two players in that deal. We haven’t even touched on schenn or cooter, who with the right coaching can be great players. You all are bitching about how we shouldnt have had a reactionary, knee jerk response with carter and richards, right? How bout we not have one with the guys actually on our roster now, who have the potential to be the same, if not better, type of core than the richie and carter one.

      • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 1:41 pm

        Btw, I dont seem to recall all of this talk when we were beating pitt in the playoffs. Weve regressed since then because of Homer, yes, but because of his moves, or lack thereof, a year AFTER the richards and carter moves. Our offense didnt miss a beat when we had pronger, carle, and jagr on the team. Its been the loss of those guys and a failure to replace them, and poor coaching thats lead us to where we are now, not a lack of richards and carter. Voracek simmonds and read have all played on an equal or better level as richards and carter since this whole mess started. Its homers post-richie/Carter failures that habe fucked this team. Get over it. I hated seein richie go as much as the next guy, but I fuckin moved on and deal with the problems as they relate to the team now. Get. Over. It.

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        • Declan October 22, 2013 at 1:49 pm

          They won ONE playoff series against Pittsburgh? In a play-station type series that was like watching pond hockey, nonetheless. Big whoop. 49 year old Jaromir Jagr? You’re kidding, right? His 4 pts last year really boosted Boston’s offense. Matt Carle being gone is the only one that has a LITTLE bit of an relevance now. Bigger problem: Simmonds, the Schenns, Couturier, & Read are ALL role players as opposed to Richards/Carter/JVR who are (and still young!) difference makers.

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          • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 2:00 pm

            Richards and carter and jvr are all role players on their respective teams. And im not talking about boston jagr. Im talking anout the year with us where he pushed that first line over the top and was a great all around player for us. We didnt replace that talent. And the abscence of carle isnt relevant now? You mean the absence of a fast, puck moving, nom-senior citizen defensemen on this team isnt a big deal?

    • a October 22, 2013 at 1:42 pm

      Giroux is both overvalued and part of the great young nucleus? He can’t be both in this argument. Richards and Carter werent the answer here. Wish we werent so quick to give up on JVR and BOB but Richards and Carter can shove it

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  • Alex October 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Kyle,
    Your logic is flawed. Math (I have a mathematics degree by the way) works with the idea of averages. There are things called outliers in statistics. An outlier is a piece of data that does not represent the normal output. I mean, why play the rest of the year if the Flyers are going to finish with only 20 points (10 groups of 8 games times 2 points they have)? Your logic is just as bad as when George Bell hit 3 home runs on opening day in 1988 so he clearly was going to hit 486 home runs for the year (he only hit 24). The sample size is too small to make that determination. Do I think the Flyers started poorly? Yes. Do I think they have 74 games to turn it around? Yes. Do I think they can do it? Not the way they are currently constructed. Changes need to take place.

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    • Talbot's Fucking Penis October 22, 2013 at 1:16 pm

      You sound more like an asshole than Kyle does (I have a degree in being accurate with these claims). Thanks for the lesson, teach.

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      • Alex October 22, 2013 at 1:54 pm

        Thank you, but you are missing the point. The point is the sample size is too small to make a good guess as to what they will do from here on out. I think the team’s biggest downfall is the construction of the team. First they traded Carter and Richards, which I wasn’t totally against at the time if they spent the money they saved wisely. They didn’t. Then, the used the amnesty clauses on Bryz (who they signed when they graded the Sea Isle City Duo!) and Briere. Bryz was 100% the right move, but if they didn’t use that money on him when they traded Richards and Carter, they wouldn’t have been in that predicament. Had they road out Bob they wouldn’t need Bryz. The trade of Richards and Carter was totally made because of the need to sign Bryz. It clearly backfired. Then, the amnesty Briere, who only had one year left on his deal, but are ok with holding onto Hartnell, who has basically had two solid years on this team in his seven or eight. Plus we are on the hook for him another six years. Money management is clearly the issue and Homer (and Ed Snider) made it happen. However, we still can free up some cap by trading some of our overpaid D-men. We have way too much spent in that position without the production you should get from that. To be truthful, we need a Billy Beane type guy for hockey to run this club. Homer is clearly not that!

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      • MM October 22, 2013 at 1:56 pm

        That’s an impossibility. Crying about players that were traded years ago and have no shot at coming back to the franchise while simultaneously trolling your readers and criticising the current captain for believing in his team makes you king asshole.

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        • Alex October 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm

          The point of reflecting on the trade was not that it was made and that I would like to reverse it, but rather it was how the money that was saved from that deal was mismanaged. The only signing that was a slam dunk after the double trade was resigning Giroux to a long deal. After that, I think there were some highly questionable deals. Homer mismanaged the cap and the team and this is why we are in the predicament that the Flyers are in. Plus we have no farm system to fill things in when we get injuries or others leave. This is a huge management problem that started the day those two were traded. Again, it isn’t the deal that was bad (I thought the idea of dumping that salary would make sense if they took the roughly 11 million in savings and spent to upgrade in areas of weakness, not just give it all to Bryz). I could debate this all day, Homer mismanaged funds and that deal just started a whirlwind. Kyle is right about the trade starting a downward spiral, but he isn’t right that the team cannot right the ship with the talent they have. They aren’t the worse team in the NHL.

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    • Worley's Hot Piece of Ass October 22, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      Alex, here’s some math for ya…i’m going to shove my 3.5″ up your ass.

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      • Alex October 22, 2013 at 3:43 pm

        I don’t know if i should be insulted or feel sorry for you.

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        • Perv Starey October 23, 2013 at 11:41 am

          Alex, you’re the Jane Goodall of these comments, watching in horror as the savage beasts spend their days throwing their feces around.

          This team mirrors its fan base. (See also: Eagles.)

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Hmm, I wonder how many NHL GMs would be willing to deal Richards/Carter/JVR for Couturier/Voracek/Simmonds/Schenn. Head scratcher, huh?

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    • Declans delusional October 22, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      So now the jvr trade is lumped in with the richards trade to la and the carter trade to columbus and you only get one schenn????

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    @Jeff You can give me all the totals you want. If you truly believe in your mind that 4 role players are better than having 2 ALL STAR players, than I just don’t know what to tell you, dude. The 4 players you mentioned are dime of dozens. Meanwhile, 30+ goal scorers don’t grow on trees.

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Roll players my ass dude. Wayne Simmonds is a black Scott Hartnell and Brayden Schenn doesn’t do one thing as good or better than Mike Richards. Jeff Carter is a better player than anyone on the Flyers roster right now outside of Giroux. Luke Schenn plays 10 minutes per night. Bryz isn’t on the team. Couturier is young, but hasn’t showed that he has any clue how to score at the NHL level.

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    • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm

      Wayne simmonds is the black mike richards. Gritty guys who get physical and score.

      Funny, when I look at last season, Voracek had more points and was more important to his team than carter.

      Luke schenn and JVR have nothing to do with the richards and carter deal or what were talking about.

      Wanna blame cooter and b schenns slow progression on someone? How bout our ex coach who barely played them last season. Coots barely got 10 minutes a game last year, and wheb he did he was on the 4th line. So yeah, lets give up on 22 and 23 year old potential stara, because this is philky and we wanna win now, eventhough we chastised them for that approachOMGMIKERICHARDSJEFFCARTEROMGOMGRABBLERABBLERABBLE.

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      • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm

        Potential stars***

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        • Jeff October 23, 2013 at 11:31 am

          Holy shit man…Youre completely off the original argument here. Youre lumping bob and every other bad move / signing in with this debate. Our original convo was about whether or not the play of richards and carter would make this team better. Youre proving my point in a way: we still wouldve needed bob and everything else to not have happened the way it did to fuckin win. Richards and carter or no richards and carter, that same thing holds true.

          No fucking shit that the dominos set off by the decision to trade them (the managerial decision, not losing their skillsets) all led to an awful situation for this this team. Children understand that. What we were talking about is richards and carter in and of themselves and their skillls vs the players we got directly as a result of trading them. Not bob or jvr or anything else.

          This whole arguement startrd because you and kyle act like if the richie carts deal never happened, wed be cup champs. That their skills and prowess alone are what wouldve led us to the promise land, and their absence is what plummetrd us, and not all the horrible gm moves that you yourself have cited. I dont get it. Woukd carter and richards have stopped homer from fucking up this team? Would they have kept pronger from getting hurt? Would they have magically made all our defensemen yyounger and faster? Would they have forced lavy to actually adapt his system in the playoffs against jersey? Please tell me. Im dying to know.

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      • Declan October 22, 2013 at 4:00 pm

        Voracek more important to his team than Jeff Carter? Now you’re definitely delusional. Voracek led a terrible team in points? Great. Do you want to talk about Tomas Fleischmann and how he led his lowly Florida Panthers in points last year too? Carter led his team in goals in the reg season AND playoffs, which also went to the Western Conference Finals at that. Get over it. Jeff Carter scores 30+ every year, something that most NHL forwards DO NOT do and GLARING need on this team of “gritty forwards who can get physical and score”.

        Comparing Wayne Simmonds and Mike Richards is laughable. Mike Richards plays in all situations, not to mention is one of the better PK guys in the whole league all while still putting up 70 pts per year. There’s a reason why he plays for Team Canada.

        The JVR deal has everything to do with what I have been talking about since my original post, which is our incompitant/moronic GMs move of blowing up what was a Stanley Cup contending team and filling it with shittier/youngER versions of the already proven young players that we already had.

        Not sure what you’re talking about with “Coots” either. He played 16mpg last year, and produced 4 goals. Schenn played 15mpg.

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        • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm

          Dude…youre not getting it. I understand that richards is better than simmonds and carter is probably better than voracek. But the difference in skill between those players and the others in the deal had little to no effect on why this team went thr way it went. Especially since the players we got accumulated better regular season stats/are young and have a huge upside. We didnt goto shit as a result of the richards and carter deals themselves…We went to shit because the gm fucked up everything after. And you seem like you understand that last part I think, but I dont get why the fuck youre acting like the players directly involved with that deal are the reason were shitty now. Again, when the rest of the team was still intact and pronger was here, our offense and special teams were just as potent with these players as it was with carter and richards. Everything that happened after that fucked us.

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          • Jeff October 22, 2013 at 5:02 pm

            And also…am I the only one who notices how much more complete of a player carter is for la than he was for us? He had the stats for us but he never went the extra mile like he seems to for them. Hes more physical and more of a two way player. And he certainly has put up wayyyyy better post season numbers there. The only post season memories i have of him are a broken foot and the open net miss in game 6…He fits better in that system with those players. He wasnt ever going to be the player to put us over the hump.

          • Declan October 23, 2013 at 8:41 am

            Dude, i’m “acting like the players directly involved with those deals are the reason were shitty now” because it IS the reason WE’RE* shitty now. They were never and have never been as potent with these new players. They were a 5 seed two years ago, with 2 teams ahead of them in their own division. I do recall them being a 2 seed (they missed the 1 seed by 1 pt on the last day of the season) the year before with Carter/Richards and winning their division, coming off a season before in which they went to the fucking finals. If you’re too dumb to realize that they were a better team with a BETTER YOUNG nucleus before those trades, then I don’t know what to tell ya buddy. The stats/standings speak for themselves. Had our dumb GM not overreacted to losing to Boston (who went on to win the fucking cup) and not given up on our 22 year old goalie / leading scorers, we would not be in this mess that we’re in now, which is a team full of “potential”.

          • Jeff October 23, 2013 at 10:03 am

            Dude, i get that homer fucked up with all the ahit AFTER richie and carter left: bob, bryz, pronger replacement, jagr, carle, weber bla bla bla. The play of richards and carter, no matter ehat team they played for in these past two years, WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED ANY OF THAT!!!

            Their offense didnt miss a beat the next season. At all. 17 and 18 were obviously big oarts of our offense, but it was always succsessful in large part becsuse we always had a bunch of 20 – 30 goal scorers. Richie and carter werent the only ones. In 2012, when our d was largely intact and homer didnt start to really shit the bed (minus bryz) we had the same thing. Balanced scoring and a productive offense. When the shit hit the fan with pronger and homer fuckingg up the next offseason, it wouldnt have mattered if we had richards and carter over the guys we have now…THE SITUATION WOULD STILL BE THE FUCKIN SAME.

            And if you recall in 2010, we were awful for most of the year until we snuck into the playoffs as the 8th seed and caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle. Youre acting like we were some powerhouse, but everyone seems to forget that the stars aligned and we didnt have to play washington or pittsburgh that year in the playoffs.

            And in 2011? Not only should we have finished first, but we should have ran away with the presidsnts trophy. We were the best in the league for the firsr half of that season, but then we absolutely pissed it away. You say we finished second that year as if we had a strong season. We didnt. We limped and moped through the entire second half, barely got by buffalo, and got annihilated by boston.

            the same problems that always reared their heads under laviollette and, yes, richards captaincy, were present then: inconsistent coaching, leadership, and all around play. This team hasnt put together a really rock solid season in years. And ya know what? That hasnt changed. Its coaching and post richie/Carter signings that fucked us. Yes, they were dealt to free up room for bryzgalov. But thats the part that fucked us, not them leaving. Woukd we be a little better with carter and richards now? Maybe

          • Jeff October 23, 2013 at 10:05 am

            Maybe…but that little difference in improvement is still isolated, and will always be isolated, from the managment and coaching issues of this team.

          • Declan October 23, 2013 at 11:08 am

            You’re wrong. They would NOT still be the same, which is my entire fucking point. Those (STILL YOUNG) guys would be 3 years older/better/more consistent, and the 22 year old goalie (who was exhausted at the end of the 2011 season) would have molded into the Vezna winning goalie in which he has become. Stupid.fucking.moves. Instead, we’re waiting on shittier even younger guys to mature and they haven’t shown that they will even come CLOSE to the players that 17/18 were/are. Again, reverting back to my original points. The team has completely regressed and we’re in a shittier situation. They had a great nucleus and a young goalie. Absolutely absurd decision to blow it up.

          • Jeff October 23, 2013 at 11:35 am

            Accidentally posted this in the wrong place originally:

            Holy shit man…Youre completely off the original argument here. Youre lumping bob and every other bad move / signing in with this debate. Our original convo was about whether or not the play of richards and carter would make this team better. Youre proving my point in a way: we still wouldve needed bob and everything else to not have happened the way it did to fuckin win. Richards and carter or no richards and carter, that same thing holds true.

            No fucking shit that the dominos set off by the decision to trade them (the managerial decision, not losing their skillsets) all led to an awful situation for this this team. Children understand that. What we were talking about is richards and carter in and of themselves and their skillls vs the players we got directly as a result of trading them. Not bob or jvr or anything else.

            This whole arguement startrd because you and kyle act like if the richie carts deal never happened, wed be cup champs. That their skills and prowess alone are what wouldve led us to the promise land, and their absence is what plummetrd us, and not all the horrible gm moves that you yourself have cited. I dont get it. Woukd carter and richards have stopped homer from fucking up this team? Would they have kept pronger from getting hurt? Would they have magically made all our defensemen yyounger and faster? Would they have forced lavy to actually adapt his system in the playoffs against jersey? Please tell me. Im dying to know.

      • Declan October 23, 2013 at 11:51 am

        Everything I have stated goes hand in hand. Your rhetorical questions about the slow defense/coaching/adapting systems do not. Again, as I said 600 times: I’d much rather have Mike Richards and Jeff Carter at age 26 (their age at the time of the trade) then Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Jake Voracek and Sean Couturier. Not sure how ANYONE would disagree on that,. If that deal (and the other brainless ones) didn’t happen, they sure as shit would have a better chance of winning than they do now. Paul Holmgren is a terrible GM. With 17/18 being the most obvious fuckups, I can’t think of ANY recent moves that he’s made that make much sense. But once again, most nerdy Flyer apologists will keep coming up with excuses for him.

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        • Jeff October 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm

          Everything you said goes hand in hand from a MANAGERIAL STANDPOINT. Those deals started the whole bryzgalov thing, bob, etc. You dont get rid of richards and carter, maybe we keeo bob and he plays well bla bla etc. We fuckin get it. No one in this city is arguing that.
          And no one on earth is excusing holmgren.

          Again, the original arguement was over strictly the players involved in those deals, and people like you acting as if the players we got for richie and carter are a huge reason for our failure. or that if we were to swap them all again right now and put 17 and 18 back on this team as is, all would be right. And youre also laboring ubder the assumption that homer wouldnt have just done away with bob anyway or done something else stupid if we had never done those deals. How are level headed flyers fans who pay attention to the players that are ACTUALLY ON THE CURRENT ROSTER get labeled as delusional, while idiots like you just howl about what richards and carter are doing on the kings all the time.

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  • Declan October 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    @jeff See above. No, I was completely agreeing with you on Carle. He was by far their best defenseman. Given how terrible Kimmo has looked the last couple years, it makes it even more of a head scratcher that they let him walk.

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  • MM October 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    So…if you subtracted the Schenns, coutourier, simmonds and voracek but you had richards, carter, jvr this team would have won a stanley cup, is that the argument here declan?

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  • DongMan October 22, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    His point was that this trend wasn’t going to “compound over time”. Kyle, you cock smuggler.

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  • Brian October 22, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Oh yea.. its always been a safe bet to base entire seasons outcome off of the first 8 games. You’re outlook is such bullshit. Fuck off Kyle. I can’t believe when I want to read something intelligent about flyers hockey, I have to put up with a hack like you.

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  • FACE October 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Flyers 1 win + 7 losses = Zero fucks given…

    Claude could come out today and say that he predicts the Flyers fucking win the Stanley Cup and I wouldn’t give a shit. Homer fucking ravaged this team with a bat wrapped in barbed wire. As long as they play hard, I’m good with it.

    FACE

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  • Kurt October 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Some observations-
    -JVR is hurt again.
    -Sean Couturier is TWENTY fucking years old. Maybe hold up on the judgement. Carter and Richards were barely NHL ready at that age. Let alone 3 year vets.
    -I’ll agreen B. Schenn underachived thus far but before Lecavalier went down, that line was the most effective.
    – L. Schenn is 23. How good are nhl dmen and that age? Yea, there are randoms that are stars but most become really good in their late 20’s. It took pronger to be traded and reworked under Keenan to really hit his stride.
    – Speaking of Pronger.. we were in the cup mostly due to Pronger’s play. Oh and maybe Danny B’s insane Spring. Hell Ville Leino too. The Hartnell Briere Leino line killed it for the Flyers. During that run can you really attribute anything all that great to Carter? Other than his blatant flub in game 6 against the Hawks. I always loved Richie and he played a great role during the run but looking back, what were his memorable moments outside of the awesome short hander against the Habs? Bottom line is that it took getting Pronger here to push them over the edge.

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    • Declan October 22, 2013 at 4:15 pm

      Uh, by Prongers play, you mean getting pushed around by Bfuglien and blown past by the obvious speed advantage that the Chicago forwards had on him? And then crying about it after the games so much so that he had to steal the game pucks? I also remember him missing most of the following season/post-season due to his broken down 38 yr old knees. I DO recall Jeff Carter playing on 2 broken feet and scoring 2 goals in the MTL clincher though.

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  • Declan's Delusional October 22, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    But you forget about Carter missing a wide-open net? fuckstick… playing on two broken feet, as if that would ever happen with that pussy.

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  • Kurt October 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Yea, his empty netter that game was awesome! I also loved his lone goal of the finals. That empty netter was just as pretty!

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  • T October 22, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    We now understand why kyle didnt excel at sports… Among other reasons of course

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  • T October 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Also the carter richards line was the reason we lost in the cup finals. Sweet empty net goal jeff, way to show up. Way to force game 7 with an easy backdoor tap in, its not like we lost the cup later that night or anything. Also way to contribute to our 3 0 series comeback…o thats right we did that without him and his non existant heart

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    • Declan October 23, 2013 at 8:49 am

      Yeah, a real “tap in”. Why don’t you YouTube the actual save and look at the play that the defenseman made and how great of a save it actually was. Doc Emerick says on the actual broadcast “couldn’t have shot it any better”. It was a great save. Plus, you fail to mention Hartnell missing on a golden opportunity in the slot 30 seconds before + Timonen hitting the post. You’re probably the same douche that cried that Richards/Carter “drank” too much. Funny, that non existent heart has led the Kings in playoff goals since he’s been there. Oh, and they won a Stanley Cup and went to the Western Conf Finals the year after. Yeah, non existent would be a good word though.

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  • Crossing pattison October 22, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Hockey sucks fellas

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  • ghost of lavy October 23, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    I hate myself for A.) actually giving you the one extra page-view today and B.) wasting 10 minutes of my day reading the nonsensical bullshit that spews from your keyboard.

    High time you got that resume together and applied for a job that doesn’t require you to think, speak, or be seen.

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