Temple Is Still Hell-Bent on Building Its Dumb Football Stadium

Despite a report that Temple was putting on hold its feasibility study for a new football stadiumPhilly.com reports they’re still pursing it:

A source said that Temple is putting its full efforts into working with the community, considered one of the major obstacles of building the $130 million on-campus stadium.

If Temple doesn’t get the cooperation of the neighborhoods, then a feasibility study, which is budgeted for $1.25 million, becomes unnecessary.

But does that mean things are sailing along smoothly? Absolutely not.

Two Temple sources have said throughout the process that they knew it would be a challenging task to work with the neighborhoods on an agreement. There are many other challenges in getting this project done, not the least of which is fund raising.

$130 million for Temple to build a football stadium that they’ll play in six times per year in a part of the city no one wants to go to. I CAN’T IMAGINE WHY COLLEGE TUITION COSTS ARE SKYROCKETING DISPROPORTIONATELY TO, WELL, EVERYTHING ELSE IN AMERICA.

Can I make this a Villanova post? You bet I can!

After winning the National Championship, Villanova received a donation for $22.6 million from William Finneran to renovate the Pavilion, which is awful and sorely in need of renovation. I’m all for it. One could argue that makes me a hypocrite, but there’s a huge difference between renovating an arena that will forever be too small for its occupant to make it at least viable… and building a football stadium in North Philly for a program that peaked when it eeked into the top 25 for, like, a week in 2015, just lost its coach, and hasn’t had less than four losses in a season since 1979(!!!). Their deal with the Linc sucks, but it’s more or less the best option they have. Temple doesn’t need its own stadium. And they probably wouldn’t be able to fill it anyway. The proposed stadium, in North Philly, would have 35,000 seats. Not once this season – one of Temple’s best, which resulted in a bowl loss – did Temple get 35,000 fans for a home game. In fact, they only surpassed 30k once– a 28-3 loss to Army on September 2. The basketball program, which is generally better and more respected than the football program, doesn’t even come close to filling its outstanding arena on a regular basis, so why would football be any different?

Temple says the stadium would also be used for high school games and community events, and they claim they don’t want to use tuition dollars to pay for the proposed stadium. But that sounds a lot like NFL owners saying they don’t want to use taxpayer dollars for their stadiums and then the city winds up footing the entire bill. Temple cites similar sized stadiums (stadii?) in the AAC in Cincy, Houston and East Carolina as examples of why their plan could work, but those are all in more college-friendly markets and cities without four pro sports teams. Philly is simply not a great college sports town, and it’s a downright bad college football town.

I’m just blown away that Temple, despite basically no one thinking this is a good idea, continues to pursue the stadium at all costs.

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71 Comments

  • Just wondering February 22, 2017 at 11:03 am

    Anyone have tickets for Creighton that are reasonable?

    Reply
    • z5tgh3g2 February 22, 2017 at 12:09 pm

      why does fran dunph get a free pass???

      Reply
      • Bruno's 🏍 February 22, 2017 at 12:27 pm

        Because he has beautiful hair

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        • Lorenzo's Pizza February 22, 2017 at 12:43 pm

          I went to Villanova – guess what the school wasn’t that great for the tuition they charged. Not to mention 5 of my friends who went to Temple have better jobs and make more money than i do.

          Then again, I dont have a Jim Adair working for me.

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        • jay mr. right February 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm

          and a sharp dresser too

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  • Temple Alum February 22, 2017 at 11:06 am

    I agree the idea is dumb, but saying no one wants to go down there is a 10-15 year old view. I went to TU 92-96 when campus was a cesspool and hardly anyone lived on campus. Completely different campus now. They bought out several surrounding blocks, knocked them down, put up student housing and extended a moat around campus, actually pretty vibrant down there, especially on Game nights. And as for tuition inflation, Pot meet Kettle? 15K a year for TU, Nova is 65K.

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    • Kyle Scott February 22, 2017 at 11:13 am

      Yeah I’m not defending any school’s tuition. All are absurd and it’s probably the biggest bubble in America. But you’re simply not going to get many non-city folk who are going to drive to North Philly to see mediocre football. If they can’t get 35k at the easily accessible Linc, it’s not going to happen on North Broad.

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      • Jody Mac February 22, 2017 at 11:21 am

        It a double argument – they would get more people if the stadium is on campus. More students would go – its a pain to board a bus or take a subway to the Linc if you a a student, they want to be on their campus, like other universities. It will also help recruits, which will help the team.

        No doubt the school is in a bad location, but that is not going to change. So they have to do what is best. The lease they have with the Eagles is terrible and is costing them more $$. I am all for the stadium, as I think its a better overall solution.

        What really needs to happen is for Temple to continue to purchase land and spread their campus further into North Phila, making it less troublesome.

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        • MY COUSIN EGGHEAD ONCE MADE OUT WITH THE REAL TRISH SPORTS DURING A SECRET SERVICE SHOW AT THE OD February 22, 2017 at 12:45 pm

          Any blame or criticism here should lie with the Gold Standard. Jeffy got himself a new home chiefly because the state put up $170 million while the city put up nearly $400 million. Consequently, the Eagles are now valued at $2.5 billion dollars and made over $400 million dollars last year alone. Yet, Jeffy and his Gold Standard want to stronghold Temple by charging them $2 million a game, with $12 million upfront?

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          • Sheckler February 22, 2017 at 3:54 pm

            Yes Lurie pulled 400 million in revenue, but he doesn’t get to keep all that you fucking dope – he has expenses:

            -Player contracts were 169m this year
            -The team owns two gigantic properties (Novacare & LFF) that require mainteance and taxes paid
            -The team has 250ish full-time employees
            -The team has 3,000+ part-time employees

            He’s still cutting a healthy fucking profit don’t get me wrong, but to think he’s making 400m a year is beyond asinine.

        • Temple Alum February 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm

          Dude we can’t fill the far smaller Liacouris Center which is already on campus, with a half decent Hoops team most years. Football stadium is a horrible idea. outside of USC/UCLA no urban Div 1 football team in the country succeeds

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  • Papa Georgio February 22, 2017 at 11:11 am

    Bravo, Kyle Scott. This is officially the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. No lie. I’m blown away.

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    • Kyle Scott February 22, 2017 at 11:14 am

      Is there a particular part that was most dumb?

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      • Papa Georgio February 22, 2017 at 11:39 am

        “Part of the city no one wants to go to”. Coming from the guy who’s afraid of graffiti and black people, speak for yourself. But even if you believe that – don’t you think things like a new stadium (football, local sports, concerts, etc.) would attract more people and new construction to the area? 15 years ago “no one” wanted to go to Fishtown or Northern Liberties, either.

        “Philly is simply not a great college sports town, and it’s a downright bad college football town.” – absolutely agree. But why not try to make it a good (or at least DECENT) college football town? This is a step in the right direction.

        Yes, attendance is an issue but compare it to what it was 10 years ago. Interest in the program is growing RAPIDLY. Don’t ignore the TV numbers.

        You’re completely downplaying how bad Jeffrey Lurie is screwing Temple compared to the other D1 programs playing in Pro Stadiums. This stadium would save them a ton of money over the years comparably.

        Also – I know you’re trolling, but Temple was indeed in the Top 25 this year and won their conference championship game. Losing Rhule hurts, but that’s just the college football landscape. They also just hired one of the best defensive minds in college football as their new head coach. Fact.

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        • CKCP February 22, 2017 at 11:49 am

          Temple has been trying for years to be bigtime in football. The fanbase is simply not there. As I understand it, the program is actually a drag on the University from a money perspective. They would be better off knowing their role and having a decent FCS team like Nova.

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          • Papa Georgio February 22, 2017 at 11:59 am

            They’ve only really starting “trying” around 2008-2009. And they started from rock bottom. Look at how far they’ve come. Quite impressive, actually.

          • You got AIDS February 22, 2017 at 12:07 pm

            Temple was “trying to be bigtime” in 2000 by taking Big East football bowl revenues and using them on basketball, which was Atlantic 10 at that time. That’s why they were tossed from the Big East. It wasn’t because they sucked. It was because money earmarked for football was spent on hoops and they were caught.

          • CKCP February 22, 2017 at 12:17 pm

            I am not saying that Temple football sucks (although it did in the recent past). They have been on a solid roll lately. The issue is the fanbase. Philly is awful (as is most of the Northeast) in terms of a fans who follow college football. They might get some slight momentum in terms of attendance, but they will not sustain it. College football is built on tailgating, tradition, etc. and it is hard for a team like Temple to create that out of wholecloth

          • Coopersjeep February 22, 2017 at 2:26 pm

            Villanova has a football team?

        • TU Football September 13, 2017 at 7:33 pm

          they beat villanova by 3 points. collins is a clown and will not succeed.

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          • TU Football September 13, 2017 at 7:33 pm

            he cares more about self promotion than the school or team itself. just wait he’s already planning his way out.

  • You got AIDS February 22, 2017 at 11:12 am

    Kyle,

    In case you haven’t noticed, the Eagles are trying to bend over Temple on a lease deal. Temple clearly believes it’s better to build a right sized stadium compared to getting gouged by Lurie and Co., otherwise why spend the money? No one. Just blows money for the shit of it.

    Rather than trying to turn this into a Villanova mastubation post, why not do some real research and see what Temple’s lease deal looks like in comparison to other college teams which use pro stadiums (Miami, Pitt, USC, etc.). You know, like big boy reporters do.

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    • Kyle Scott February 22, 2017 at 11:16 am

      I said that their deal with the Linc sucks, but you’re also comparing them to MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS that can draw bigger crowds, presumably to everyone’s benefit. Temple doesn’t even half-fill the Linc in exchange for tearing up the field, forcing them to re-paint the end zones, and turn the lights on. And none of that has anything to do with the fact that spending $130 million – of which students will almost assuredly pay and which the community doesn’t want – is a better option.

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      • Innes' Failed Diet February 22, 2017 at 11:49 am

        To be fair, unless it directly puts money in their pocket the community will always be against anything different than what currently exists in that neighborhood. They hate when new buildings are built, new houses are built, new businesses are opened, or people who aren’t in their situation move next door. That doesn’t mean that building the stadium is a good idea, but using the opinions of the community as part of your argument should be done with a grain of salt.

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      • Actually informed on the subject February 22, 2017 at 12:20 pm

        Kyle- as a temple student who had to do a research project on the subject at hand, I can assure you that the funding has already been privately gathered and will not be costing students, or taxpayers, a dime. The only issue is buying out local residents who are opposed to gentrification of the area.

        Lurie, who promised that he would allow Temple stadium use when he received *hundreds of millions* from taxpayers for the Linc, absolutely pilfers the university for $3 million per year on the lease. Not only that, but temple is only entitled to 10% of concession and parking revenue for their games. Meanwhile, Pitt is welcomed to Heinz field with open arms FOR FREE.

        Temple has no choice but to get out from under Luritarian rule.

        By the way- I got offered a job over a Villanova kid and it was the most gratifying feeling I’ve ever had. Fuck the Cats

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        • spike lee February 22, 2017 at 1:27 pm

          mutha fuck gentrification! kill whitey!

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        • Ron Burgundy February 22, 2017 at 2:51 pm

          Because Jeffy is a dirty filthy juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuubag class dismissed.

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  • Johny doc February 22, 2017 at 11:12 am

    but think of how many overpaid union jobs we can create with this project. I just need to get my guys kevlar to wear while they work

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  • Matt from Philly February 22, 2017 at 11:16 am

    I’ve heard rumors the Eagles wanted Temple football out. Where does this leave them? Franklin Field? Maybe Chester splitting with the Union? I agree this is silly, but building it on North Broad is the peak of insanity. Build this on the waterfront, compete with the Tweeter center.

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  • Hey kyle February 22, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Can you do AMAs more regularly? Maybe monthly? Yesterday’s was highly entertaining.

    Reply
  • Kyle's Erection February 22, 2017 at 11:17 am

    What makes Kyle more erect, Temple football stadium or cord cutting?

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  • steve February 22, 2017 at 11:25 am

    a $130 million dollar stadium with 35,000 seats will be nothing but uncomfortable bench seating (big downgrade from the Linc) with terrible amenities and concourses (big downgrade from the linc).

    Why don’t they spend $100 million on a nice 20,000 seat stadium that could be easily expanded in 3 years if they need to? PPL Park (which also cost like $130 million) was built with the plan to easily expand to 30,000 seats and add 30 suites if needed down the road.

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  • Matt Rhule February 22, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Where are the fucking parking garages? I would love street parking in North Philly on a Saturday night.

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    • Dan Griffoni February 22, 2017 at 2:10 pm

      Let me bend over and show you

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      • Matt Ruhle February 23, 2017 at 10:43 am

        You need to come to Texas to do that!

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  • Temple Law, Nova Undergrad February 22, 2017 at 11:25 am

    TUFB season ticket holder, here. This stadium would be perfect. 35k might be a bit too large, but the current situation is beyond awful. A small-sized on campus stadium will bring far more students to the game, as currently only a couple hundred at most show up to the Linc.

    Furthermore, I am not even from Philly originally, but after working in North Philly for years I have heard nothing but great things about the old stadium in Cheltenham as a community epicenter. Temple has an amazing track record in linking its athletic program with the surrounding community, and I can only see this furthering itself in a new stadium on campus. Hundreds if not thousands of tickets will be given away to schools and youth groups, deepening the relationship of Temple with the community, and building a stronger fan base for the team. Kyle, I love you. But you and the rest of the media have undersold this aspect of the stadium to a sickening degree. Recognize that the plan for this stadium is far more than just a place that will be used six times per year, and watch Temple become Philly’s CFB team.

    Lastly, check out Tulane’s new stadium. It is awesome, and imposed in a tight neighborhood, will be similar to the new Temple stadium.

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    • You got AIDS February 22, 2017 at 11:35 am

      I also think Temple is thinking big picture and thinking am atheltic facilities upgrade could position them for an invite to the ACC should they ever go to 16 to 20 team mega conferences. Duke and Wake have stadiums that only seat 35,000 and Boston College is only around 44,000.

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      • steve February 22, 2017 at 11:57 am

        Temple doesn’t even have a baseball team. They are a far way away from going to the ACC (where Florida State gets 5,000 paying customers to each baseball game)

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        • You got AIDS February 22, 2017 at 12:08 pm

          That won’t matter. Go look at how few division 1 sports Pitt has compared to other member schools and they still got in.

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  • Real Trish Sports February 22, 2017 at 11:28 am

    The Eagles shouldn’t be charging Temple anything for the six football games played each season.

    For crying out loud the taxpayers of this city payed a huge chunk of the bill for the Linc. How was it not part of the deal that they provide six days a year to Temple football?

    A new stadium would be a joke. Nobody want to park their cars in North Philly and risk being shot. Temple might have bought up a few blocks for housing but it is still surrounded by crime ridden streets, unless they plan to buy up all of North Philly.

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    • Slowpoke Rodriguez February 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      yes, because every single person who parks their car in north philly gets shot.

      temple owns broad street from the campus up the hospital.

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      • Dan Griffoni February 22, 2017 at 2:12 pm

        um, I know 8 people that parked their cars in north philly… And no joke, they were all shot.

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      • Philly40 February 23, 2017 at 11:50 am

        I go to Temple basketball games all the time. With my wife and kids can you believe it! We park our car, we walk around, we eat and drink and we go to the game. And it’s great.

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    • Sporting Wood February 22, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      “How was it not part of the deal that they provide six days a year to Temple football?”

      Because Ed Rendell is an imbecillic douchebag, disingenuously masquerading as a sports fan to curry favor with the voters.

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  • Typical Nova Post February 22, 2017 at 11:34 am

    I’m really to the point that I’m about done with this site due to your inability to stop with your pretentious Nova b.s. Yes you’re student body is richer then us, yes more of your students move on to be involved with Madoff or Goldman Sachs and ripoff anyone you can because you have to get yours, we get it we get it. Your site is widely read at least try and keep a small degree of your narcissism out of your posts.

    Comparing Nova BBall to Temple Football makes no sense. I agree basketball is a far superior product at the college level but TV contracts and revenue numbers don’t. My argument has always been that with the Linc being so big there is no enticing factor to buy season tickets, I can buy them the day of. In which case I take no actions to adjust my schedule for games and look at the weather and do or don’t go. If the number of tickets were limited I’d buy them in advance and go regardless of any other factor as to not waste my money.

    With all that said this is a GREAT idea or a TERRIBLE idea based on one thing; what conference they are in when it is complete. If they stay in this conference and my best game is Navy it will sit empty. If they get into a new conference and we get to watch Temple play any relevant team it’s sold out. Time will tell, but your post will live on and still be shit.

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    • Temple Alum February 22, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      yeah that was the idea when Temple Hoops tried to get into the old Big East and Jay FRICKING Wright blackballed them. Could you imagine the economic boost to N. Broad with GTown, ‘Cuse, Louisville, Notre Dame, UConn rolling in to the liacouras center every weekend?

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  • Kyle Scott sucks Jays D. February 22, 2017 at 11:36 am

    There he goes again sucking Jay and Novas Bird again…giving no credit to any other schools but Nova. A school full of Rich kids and god awful football team who has no place to even have a stadium. Stop worrying about what Temple and a GOOD football team is going to do and worry about how Nova fans will feel when they lose in the first round of NCAA tourney this year.

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    • Dan Griffoni February 22, 2017 at 2:14 pm

      Temple Stinks and their students are tart carts!

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  • John Reese February 22, 2017 at 11:39 am

    In what world is a Temple football stadium changing your life in any way? You don’t work or live in the city. This post is quite literally a trolling piece for page views and to insight Temple alum from posting comments, which I’m currently doing, but this makes no sense to me. Business is that slow that you have to stoop to the same tactics sports radio does to get callers. You’re no better than them in this area but still repeatedly criticize. You’re nothing but a punk dude would love to run into you one day.

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  • Innes' Failed Diet February 22, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    Kyle, considering you are the guy that avoids the city at all costs (at the expense of providing a better CB product I might add) you really aren’t the person to be delivering this message. You are speaking from your suburban ivory tower with little knowledge of the subject.

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    • Innes' Failed Diet February 22, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      PS

      Everything gets passed on to the students by way of a tuition hike. Even that big donation for Nova’s renovation will end up costing the students more. Anything that makes a school more attractive to attend, be it a new tech center to a new stadium built with donated money, will lead to a rise in tuition.

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  • Jersey shore Russian Sub February 22, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    If they build it they will come may or may not be true. But if Temple ever wants to be more than an also-ran they need to build it. And Jeffy Lurie is a creep.

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  • Mike Vick's Parole Officer February 22, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    As other commenters have pointed out, the real problem is Lurie. How does that greedy POS continue to get a free ride in this supposed “tough” town when he hasn’t produced a Super Bowl and extorts Temple with a stadium given to him for free? Any reason a journalist/reporter doesn’t have the stones to expose Lurie for the fraud he is? Lurie is the epitome of the guy born on third who acts like he hit a triple. I’m glad he will drop dead never having won a Super Bowl. Other than winning the birth lotto, he hasn’t accomplished a damn thing.

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  • William Rhodes February 22, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    They’d get named donors to cover most of the cost and other donors to pick up the rest. They’re not increasing tuition to pay for something like this. Upkeep maybe but not to build it.

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    • Dan Griffoni February 22, 2017 at 2:16 pm

      Yes they are

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  • Serious Question February 22, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    I’m honeslty curious: If Temple owns the land they need to build, why do they need neighborhood support?

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    • Innes' Failed Diet February 22, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      It’s politics. The people complain to their representatives, the representatives complain to Temple, and a couple concessions makes it all go away (mostly to the representative with the people getting shorted). By fighting it they can squeeze more out of Temple or whoever else wants to build in their community. If Temple said FU and just built it they might be able to pull it off, but the next time the city might not be so willing to help them with zoning or other hurdles. It’s all a delicate dance of corruption.

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  • I can't wait for march madness February 22, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    So Nova can get knocked out of the tournament and force Kyle to go into hiding. Expect a lot of posts from Jim after round 2 of the tournament.

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      She’s not “taking on the comment section head on”.

      She has referred to not allowing the comments to be enabled in a joking manner, (such as referencing Burrell) so that imbeciles like you would be fooled into thinking “You go girl!”. The fact remains – she is expecting special treatment that no one else on CB or philly-dot-com gets, because she is coward.

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  • J. Hanks September 9, 2017 at 12:53 am

    I am FOR a Temple campus stadium. Long-term they’ll save $$$. If you think a future stadium would only see 6 football games per year and nothing else. You’d be wrong. The Liacourus Center hosts more than just basketball players. In addition to the D1 sports the facility does host, Temple makes money renting it out for other events. Likewise, a new well-designed stadium could host other D1 sporting events such as soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, track & field. The stadium would also provide additional jobs. Here’s to the Stadium!

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