Is “Four for Four” a Crock of Crap? Setting the Record Straight With Anthony Gargano

Earlier today, I offered a Twitter take in response to the topic of today’s midday show on 97.5 the Fanatic:

Allow me to elaborate:

I think most Philadelphia sports fans would like to see the teams representing the “four major sports” do well. You’d be hard-pressed to find an Eagles fan pulling for the Phillies to lose, and vice versa. However, I’d argue that most people really only give a true shit about 2-3 of the teams while not really spending time or energy on the others.


We’d probably all agree that a good chunk of Sixers fans don’t watch the Flyers very often while a good chunk of Flyers fans probably don’t watch the Sixers very often. There’s sort of a natural divide there since the teams play at the same time, in the same building, and compete for the relatively small chunk of the Philadelphia media pie that’s already been devoured by the Eagles. The Sixers fan base is a little younger and a little more diverse. To that point, maybe some of those fans don’t care about the Phillies, because they find baseball to be slow and boring. You’ll find various demographically-obvious extrapolations here.

Most sticker collections on Philly cars look like… what? How often do you see all four logos on a bumper? You likely see an Eagles and Phillies sticker, then maybe the Sixers OR Flyers, plus a Villanova or Temple logo, or wherever you went to school. Most flags hanging off the balconies of Avalon and Sea Isle houses are arranged similarly.

Anthony has always used the term “four for four” as a euphemism that means “you support your hometown teams,” and I think we all know this. He doesn’t mean you literally support the four teams and nothing else; his main gripe is people who go outside of the city to complete their fandom, like my jabroni former colleague Josh at Eyewitness News, who grew up in Delaware but supports the New York Giants and wears a Barry Sanders jersey to work.

Understanding where Anthony is coming from, I’d argue that “four for four” is a bit outdated in 2020. You’ve got Union fans and college football and basketball fans and people in this city who watch Eddie Alvarez and Paul Felder fight. Those people know that Ant is using umbrella terminology but still feel somewhat disenfranchised because there are a portion of Eagles and Phillies fans, for example, who still think soccer is “communist” and then use the “four for four” mantra to shit on other sports they deem unworthy. That’s off base to me, a one-way street of linear thinking, because you’ll find that 95% of Union/Wings/MMA/Penn State fans also watch one or more of the “major” teams.

Maybe we’re just splitting hairs here, or trying to find the thin line that differentiates between wanting a team to do well, versus truly showing tangible support for that franchise.

Anyway, Anthony wanted to talk about it, so we had a short conversation this afternoon, which you can listen to here:

Here’s the question I would leave you with:

What is a more modern way to say “four for four?” How would you update the term to apply to what Anthony is really focused on, which is a good-faith show of support for all Philadelphia-area sports teams?


24 Responses

  1. you sure do rely heavily on sports talk radio a lot for content. Funny how you spend so much time lambasting but every other post you seem to recount a tale of something angelo said while dropping off your kid at daycare. I’m sure you don’t listen though. ever.

    1. Crossing Broad has written about the local sports media since 2010. It has literally been part of the brand since day one.

      thank you

      1. Well, this is a “click post” , right? Anytime you bring up radio, the site gets a ton of visits. Well done. Look, you drew me in.

  2. Kevin, gotta disagree with you on this! The Cuz is right. Especially if you remember 1980. Yes, I’m one of the older fans (older years old) and loved that time with 4 for 4 teams at the top of their game.
    You tell ‘m Anthony. We remember and still cheer on all 4. I’ll be at the Flyers Saturday, 76ers on Wednesday and just got my Phillies tickets today for Opening Day!!

  3. I really have zero interest in 7 foot tall guys dunking a basketball. Watch the last 5 minutes of an NBA game and you saw the whole game.

  4. Most people with the capacity for rational, logical thought can differentiate and not be beholden to some stupid civic pride nonsense.

    You like a team because of the players, the franchise, ownership, etc. If the team you root for, I don’t know let’s say brings in a dog killing ST-D spreader and you want to jump ship. Fine.. Doesn’t make you less of a Philadelphian. If a team you loved totally trashed itself for half a decade by losing on purpose and trying to game the system only to be left with a crying, spotlight hogging mope who can’t stay healthy and a diva basketball player who for some reason cannot SHOOT A BASKETBALL and you wish them nothing but ill, fine. Doesn’t make you less of a Philadelphian.

    Gargano is a pandering simpleton. The less heard from him, the better.

  5. Gargano’s Primo commercial is fantastic. what a fat tub of goo who is

  6. It’s really not that hard to pay attention to the “Big 4“ teams.

    It’s amazing how many sports media personalities openly admit to not following hockey or basketball as if it’s a source of pride.
    Pure laziness on both sides. These people shouldn’t be in the sports media. You have one job. To follow Philly sports teams.

  7. If you’re Philly, you’re 4 for 4. You ain’t 4 for 4, you ain’t philly. You can pick a college team too if you’re one of those yuppy types.

  8. Could be worse, there are like 3 people out there trying to make it seem like soccer is a real sport and calling themselves 5 for 5.

  9. 4 for 4 is antiquated, both as a metaphor for supporting the home teams and as a descriptor for what’s relevant.. 5 for 5 IS more appropriate, but the caveman quotient of the sports talk radio listener base is still to high. A better metaphor would be “Philly First”, implying that you’re not a cockroach Dallas fan, a closet Mets fan, a front running Cavs fan, or some other garbage that is probably a result of bad parenting over just plain douchebaggery. Using myself as an example, you can’t pay me to watch a baseball game. But I’ll happily support the Phils when there’s a post season run. I just can’t stomach the slow grind of a baseball season, that doesn’t mean I root AGAINST the Phillies.

  10. ‘there are a portion of Eagles and Phillies fans, for example, who still think soccer is “communist”’

    Now these are my kind of people!

    PS – Soccer can’t be a communist sport because it isn’t a real sport. A Marxist pastime in between breadlines, perhaps.

  11. I was 4 for 4 until “The Process”. They lost me with that multi-season losing-on-purpose farce. The fact that it resulted in absolutely nothing doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I don’t watch much baseball but at least happy when the Phils win. I will watch the Eagles and Flyers when I can – although for a long time, prior to this year, the Flyers have been almost as unwatchable as the Sixers, but the seem to have pulled things together now. And no “process” farce required there, by the way.

  12. Because I don’t follow hockey, and don’t care about the Flyers, I’m not a real Philadelphian. This coming from the guy who acts like he is, “Mr. South Philly”, yet grew up in South Jersey, and whose claim to fame is writing a story for philly mag about a Gulf War vet with PTSD, that was totally fabricated. Really?

  13. It’s really amazing how you took a simple premise “four for four” and totally tried to spin it and the cuz put you in your place!!

    The point of the Four for Four is that you don’t have two Philly teams and then branch out to another city. It’s not about commitment, KEVIN!!!!!

    You basically agreed with the CUZ and called it a violation to not root for other teams….

    Did you actually think before writing this article.

    Cuz: It’s a euphemism

    You: Do we need a better name that makes sense to idiots like me.

    Cuz: Well it’s a euphemism.

    Stick to blogging and small words..

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