There are Three Types of Phillies Fans, Two of Them Suck

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Ah yes, as the new baseball season beckons on the horizon, we prepare ourselves for another year at ballpark. We thought this would be a good time to break down the three types of fans you may see at there.

Many will watch and attend games. But, for better or worse, there are only three groups that will be defined as fans.

Onward. 

 

The Bandwagon Fan:

This isn't a new concept. But since the Phillies have reached record-breaking levels in fandom over the last few seasons, this group of attention-seeking – and attention-getting – fans has become the stereotype for the evil Philly fan.

Gruff. Drunk. Dirty. All words used by the national media in their portrayal of Phillies fans. As we know, most of that is untrue. However, there are some bandwagon folks who, with their actions, help perpetuate that description. But there's more than one type of bandwagon fan.

There's essentially two offshoots of this painful fan-appendage. 

There's guys like Mark from Mergers and Acquisitions. He's the slightly metro middle-management type who always wears a Phillies hat (basic plain red with white "P" Twins Franchise, or New Era adjustable) as a stylish accessory to his Seven jeans and two-button black Banana Republic long-sleeve cotton polo. He says he's a Phillies fan. He watches all the games – on his 47-inch 1080p HD television – and somehow manages to always score the company seats in section 135. But he doesn't really know the sport. When you ask him about Halladay's cutter, you get a response like: "Yeah Royboy was really throwing fire last night. I love Chooch."

You wouldn't call Mark rotund, but his fitted attire makes him seem as though he's in better shape than he really is. He uses this to his advantage when he goes out after the games. He's a little bit above McFadden's. He's more of the Cuba Libre type- have you tried their mojitos?

Of course, Mark is at the other end of the Spectrum from who we typically associate with as the bandwagon fan. This other person is essentially Pukemon, Matthew Clemmens. 

image from law.rightpundits.com

You can spot this other type of person at the ballpark most every night… always wearing "ill" shirts. They are – as you well know – typically seated in the upper deck or found standing around the ballpark. They yell incoherent and out-of-context things like, "Raul is boss!" "Shaaaaaane." And "Lidge sucks! Fuck Lidge."

After-all, their first first-hand memories of the Phillies were from the 2009 season.

They look like this:

Ill_shirt_boob_grab 

They don't watch the games. They just cheer. Or boo. Most of the time, they are turned around talking to their friends, leaning on one of the many standing-room rails in the lower-level. They drink Bud Light aluminum bottles in excess. These are the folks who do dumb things like throw-up on fans, fight, and perform other general acts of debauchery.

You hate them. I hate them.

 

The 2008 Apologists:

This second group is an evil cousin of our third and final group, The Lifelong Fan. Most of these folks are true fans. They do like baseball and, in most cases, have grown up rooting for the Phillies. However, whether it be the lack of an adequate social life or the fact that Chase Utley's "World Fuckin' Champions" speech was the first time they ever had a non self-induced orgasm, this second group can't seem to move on from 2008.

They love baseball and that specific team so much that they have trouble looking at things objectively, the way the typical lifelong fan does.

The visions of Utley's speech, Brad Lidge dropping to his knees, Cole Hamels’ flowing playoff locks, Carlos Ruiz's Choochtober, and Joe Blanton's home run prevent them from viewing the current team in the proper light.

They fail to acknowledge the fact that Utley is on the down side of his career (something I struggle with, as well). Or to see that Lidge has been nothing more than mediocre over the last two seasons, and, thanks to FOX's successful attempts to dampen their undies with a flamed 96 M.P.H. radar gun in the playoffs, that Ryan Madson isn't a closer.

This group, out of all, may be the most vocal and engaged- via Twitter, Facebook, sports radio, etc. (they will be the ones who take exception to this in the comments). A lot of that stems from the fact that, like with all fans, 2008 was a watershed moment in their lives. More so than it should have been, however. 

For better or worse, it covered up painful memories of childhood bullying and deep-seated insecurities. These fans are the outliers excluded from the control group. Somewhere along the way, a variable pushed them outside the norm, and now they negatively impact the slope of regression.

But they're baseball fans, though. They know the game and love it. There's something to be said for that.

 

The Lifelong Fan:

Despite two sections of assholery, most fans (as much as 60-70%), most readers I'd venture to guess, fall into this last group. Philly has always been a baseball town. Most of us love the game and love the Phillies. Unfortunately, years of ineptitude made it hard to really express that fact. 

The Vet was often empty, the team was often awful, and the organization was often blasĂ©. 

For this group, 1993 or the late 70s and early 80s (if old enough not 2008) – depending on age – is the cornerstone for their Phillies fandom. They've grown up going to games. Many had season tickets during the lean years at The Vet. Todd Zeile was kind of a big deal.

This group often chokes-up at the mere mention of Harry Kalas, or when watching Video Dan's Phillies "Home Companion" tapes. 

2008 was the payoff for suffering through years of filth, but it doesn't define who they are as fans. They are knowledgable and appreciative enough to know this is a time unlike any other in Phillies history. There will, and in some cases has, come a time to cut ties with the heros of '08. 

Members of this group can take many forms. Most are normal, everyday people who simply love baseball. They grew up here. Their families grew up here. Baseball is a familial-tie as much as it is a sport. Phone calls were made before beers were drank on October 29th, 2008.

This person can be your mid-twenties fan who attends games with family and friends, enjoying the ambiance and amenities offered by the new ballpark. Or this can be Shirley up in section 419, who has kept score for every home game since 1987, a year when all the AA batteries in the world weren't enough to make her bed rock the way she dreamt Bedrosian could. That scorebook is only missing one game- the day she had to attend a birthday party for her nephew. But don't worry, she turned the game on inside while everyone else splish-splashed around in the pool of her slightly more successful younger brother. Shirley's alright.

It's these fans, the lifelong fans (which we all claim to be), the Shirleys of the world, that are the lifeblood of the Phillies. At the end of the day, the other fan groups, the team's ability to spend money, the atmosphere at the ballpark… none of those things would be possible without this final group. Simply put, they don't suck.

 

Who are you?

89 Comments

  1. I usually think you’re the man and spot on with your assessments, but in this article you have completely failed.
    In accurately trying to portray Philly fans- FAIL
    In trying to incorporate humor throughout your article- HUGE FAIL
    You make money off of all “three” of these fans as you put it so I don’t even understand the point of this article. My buddy who is a NY fan read it and sent it to me and was more for them to bash us with.
    I am usually sending him things from your website that defend the “outsiders” perspective that ignores the incredible loyalty, passion and knowledge of the best fans in the world.
    A huge letdown from Kyle Scott, I never would have guessed an article like this would come from CrossingBroad.

  2. WELL SAID KYLE
    I AGREE WITH YOU
    HOWEVER YOU FORGOT THE MOST OBNOXIOUS KIND OOF PHILLIES FANS
    THE KIND THAT START BLOGS
    HA Ha

  3. Would have loved to suggest an edit:
    ***
    Many will watch and attend games. But, for better or worse, there are only three groups that will be defined as fans.
    Onward. [Add: “Click CBSPhilly to read on”]
    ***
    I’m a lifelong fan but, by your definition, I think I’m an 08 apologist. The 2008 win, 28 yrs since 1980, was a defining moment in my own life. And I happen to appreciate the era we’re in in the form of wishing one more taste for Rollins, Utley, etc. There’s a difference between holding the 08 folks as permanent Gods around here and acknowledging their decline. Kinda disappointed, but if you feel holier by writing this, good for you.

  4. I hope you get eye AIDS

  5. I just have one thing to say, I consider myself a Lifelong fan, but I am 19. I can barely remember 1993, (although I do remember that my favorite player then was John Kruk) But I am a real Phils fan. I remember suffering through years of almosts in the early 2000’s and even vaguely remember the 90’s. I remember being super excited about young guns like Gavin Floyd and Brett Myers. I remember having Rotations that included Joe Roa, Robert Person, Vincente Padilla, Bruce Chen. I remember when Doug Glanville and Marlon Anderson and Travis Lee were stars in our lineup. When we FINALLY made the playoffs in 2007, I was so happy I actually poured sparkling cider on my head and ran around my back yard SCREAMING my head off. The world series win was the most amazing thing I have ever witnessed. I may not remember the 80’s or 93 but that’s because I was born in 1991, But I am a lifelong phillies fan and I will take issue with anyone who says otherwise.

  6. Yeah, I’ve read this blog every so often, but I’ve never been compelled to comment until now. This was simply a horrible article. Who cares what types of fans there are? We all love the game, we all love the team, and as long as the seats are filled and the season is fun, who cares?
    Terrible article.
    And all of your reasoning for the “2008 Apologists” being who they are is most definitely wrong, but, ok.

  7. Brian- I think that’s probably a fair point. There will be those younger who can’t quite remember ’93, in which case your absolved with using 2008 as the cornerstone of fandom.

  8. I’m a realist, so I’ll admit to being a Bandwagon fan BUT I think we should accept that everyone has to start somewhere and that many Phillies fans probably came to be during a time of success in the franchises’ history.
    As a woman, I didn’t go through my youth with the same zest for sports as some boys did. I was more pre-occupied with girly shit that’s too embarassing to admit right now (cough krimping my hair cough).
    The current success of the Phillies has inspiried me to be a fan but I don’t think that’s all it is for me. I am committed to turning myself into a lifelong fan and, as such, have tried to better understand the game. Unlike many women fans(and probably some dudes), I know what a Rule 5 pick is, what being a Super Two means and the various assortment of pitches that are thrown etc.
    I may not be able to spot a balk – YET – but it’s a start, right?

  9. Well Said Kyle. Except a true Phillies fan wouldn’t post about how bad Phillies fans are. So get off the blog and pretend to be a Phillies fan. Jackass

  10. KYLE
    YOUR AND YOU’RE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS
    ONE IS POSSESSIVE
    THE OTHER IS A CONTRACTION
    COMMON MISTAKE

  11. I like all the critics who come here, but don’t have the ability or intelligence to write out an article for anything.
    It’s like couchside coaches who scream at Andy Reid as if they could coach better(then why aren’t you coaching?).
    Yay morons!

  12. Well thought out article Kyle. Don’t listen to the people on here. Most of them probably barely know how to read these articles. Well done.

  13. What the hell? I’ve been a Phillies fan since the 70’s and am now a partial season ticket holder. I consider 2008 a cornerstone of my fandom. As far as letting go? What gives? I’m still clinging to Carlton!
    Oh, and I’ve only lived in Philly since 1990. So instead of being a ‘family tradition’ I grew up a Phils fan in another state. I chose to be a Phillie.

  14. and one more qualifier for Bandwagon Fans…they will hate this post.

  15. You can definitely be type 2 and 3 at the same time, right? I have a special place in my heart for Jamie Moyer, Burrell and Brett Myers, but I wouldn’t want them back on the team (well, maybe Burrell, we need righty power), but I remember talking myself into Dave Coggin, Nelson Figueroa, and Brandon Duckworth as the ‘future of the franchise’ once upon a time. Can’t I keep loving the Team to Beat phillies of ’08, while fretting over the new team, and pine for the days of $7 seats and yelling shit at Ricky Otero? You can’t (and probably shouldn’t) try and classify phila sports fans in any confident manner. It’s too complicated, there’s too much personal history in this town to pin down any kind of specific person in the stadium. Except for the puking guy, he is human trash. Go Phils.

  16. When you’re talking about something plural, use “There are” not “there’s”.
    Grammar, it is your friend.

  17. Fuck the haters, I loved it. I hate sitting next to a bandwagon jumper at a game who spends the ENTIRE game yapping about stupid shit. There’s one characteristic of the life-long fan that I think you missed, though, particularly the life-long fan under the age of 35: We know it can, and probably will, go horribly wrong. There’s always that feeling of dread, like 08 was a fluke, not an actual lifting of the curse. Sometimes if I think about it too long, I think we’re just setting ourselves up for devastation with this dream rotation we’ve set up. The Phillies, a world series contender years in a row? Who’d have ever dreamed it 10 years ago???

  18. Like I said before, I love crossingbroad because Kyle does not hold back and will call out coaches and fans when needed, but calling out a fan base is a completely different thing. I am 23 years old and hell yes the World Series was one of the greatest moments of my life, and that includes a full scholarship to play collegiate football and a state championship in football.
    I, like so many other Philly fans were born with our 4 sports teams as apart of the family. Harry Kalas and Merril Reese are/were like father figures to many of us. I love reading your articles, but I have never felt it necessary to comment until this. Come on bro, if you’re true Philly fan you wouldn’t say this.

  19. meh, I agree with everything written here… Sorry if he struck a nerve ladies!

  20. AllFansAreRealFans

    March 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    As a lifelong Philadelphian and Phillies fan, I don’t agree with knocking what you call “bandwagon” fans. Let’s welcome all new fans into the fold without judging when their eyes were opened to baseball. New fans are *good* for the team. These so-called bandwagon fans and their bud lights and ill shirts are filling the stadium every night and providing the revenue to allow our team to acquire the best of the best and compete consistently with the big boys. I’m sorry, but you sound like one of those guys who love obscure bands until they get marginally successful and then you resent that the other fans aren’t “real.”

  21. What Bitchadelphia said!! Just b/c someone comes to appreciate baseball during the team’s success, doesn’t mean they can’t become a knowledgeable, passionate and life-long fan. That’s pretty snotty to think the only true fans are those who suffered through the days of the Vet.

  22. puma hats suck

    March 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Then there’s this guy Kyle. He lives in his mom’s basement, writes a crappy blog and acts like he’s better than everyone. He makes fun of guys wearing Banana Republic to games yet he can wear an argyle sweater and a puma hat. He’s the worst kind of fan of all.

  23. The latter section of the bandwagon is so true. I went with a buddy (we are both 20) to a Cabrini College night last year and it was straight awful. We sat in 304 and right by the cabrini students who just went blah blah blah all game. I felt I was at a mall rather than a game. And dont even get me started on the “ill” shirts, they are an embrassement.

  24. baseball is a slow game, what’s wrong with talking during it?

  25. Jesus is the 5th starter

    March 30, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    @Kyle – Good stuff. I remember going to the Vet in the late 90s with my dad. He’d pick me up in the middle of school and we’d just go. I always wondered where the hell everyone else in the stadium was and he would just say “Better seats for us.” I’ve seen to many Mark’s and “ill” wearing douche bags to disagree here.
    As for anyone else who puts down Kyle and this blog –
    Would you like peanut butter with that jealousy sandwich?

  26. I think I pretty much fit into the a**hole section of the fans , my cousin Matthew played AAA ball for Lehigh but I was brought up a yankees fan until my best friend had me watch Phillies games and teach me their history, eventually I changed teams and cared a lot more about the Phillies then the yanks. I’ve been to much more Phillies games and watch every single game. I enjoy watching the Phillies and being a Phillies fan If that makes me a ahole I can live with that.

  27. Life long Phillies fan. I remember Todd Zeile and when Greg Jefferies hit for the cycle. The Vet was always empty and would always move to better seats in the middle innings. I like how the Phils are popular, but it sucks that it is now hard to get tickets at a decent price.

  28. JohnnySMallRocks

    March 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    perpetuate vs perpetrate…i never actually noticed how close they are. interesting

  29. Kyle, you hit this right on head. We all know what “fan” Joey and some others were are. Me…lifelong fan. I remember the 80’s and 90’s. I remember Joe Carter and what the mention of that name does to a fan. I remember many nites sitting on the back porch listening to Harry and Whitey on my grandfather’s little 9V transitor radio, THOSE were story games.
    I have nothing against the youth fans, but they got a team, they didn’t got thru the 80s and 90s like alot of us did.
    Great Article!

  30. Let’s be real, even when the Phillies weren’t horrible, the Vet would draw 30K on average in a good year. So new stadium and championship caliber team have combined for all of these sellouts. In 1993 they led wire to wire and drew a little over 3M, which is still less per game than they draw now. CBP is the hip place to be.
    I’m a lifer, who has a complicated relationship with the team over the years, sort of like an old married couple who argue a lot. I started following the team as a kid just before they won it in 1980…and then saw 20+ years of mostly bad baseball before this most recent era.
    And I sort of hate the bandwagoners. But at the same time I know there aren’t enough lifers out there to fill CBP 81 times a year, so we need the bandwagoners to have this payroll. So I’ve made peace with it I guess. It’s still annoying though to be at a game and listen to the people around you discuss their family, their job, etc….everything but the game.

  31. Bandwagon-shmandwagon

    March 30, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    I agree with Bitchadelphia. I started out as a “Bandwagon” fan, but am now very dedicated to the team. I didn’t grow up watching the Phillies or any sport, to be honest. I was also crimping my hair in the late 80’s and early 90’s. In 2008, my brother moved back home and I started watching games with him. It was a bonding experience that I will always treasure. I’m still learning, but I really watch the games and follow every minute. If I can’t be at or watch a game, I’m following the pitch-by-pitch on my phone. Can I rattle off stats? No. But I also have a sieve-like memory. It just won’t happen. But I love this team and I’m learning to love this sport. I also know the difference between pitches.

  32. Great Post as a 3 I Hate 1 and 2. especially 1. Which is why I typically won’t go to BPS, Dollar Dog night or ever enter McFadden’s.

  33. Okay, HYPOTHETICALLY, let’s say the Phillies miss the playoffs this year. And next year. Point in all this is, how many people would be left after the team begins a downward turn?
    I remember when having tickets in a pack of hot dogs was a big deal.

  34. Sorry man this isn’t a base ball town. Where was the fanbase in the 90s and early aughts? This town is owned by the stupid braindead eagles fans.

  35. ThePhillyFlash

    March 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Kyle: I for one found your article to have been ansolutely excellent as it got right to the point about the true meaning of Phillies fandom. Hell, I suspect that the detractors who dissed your piece probably fell in one of the first two categories but are too ashamed to admit to it, so they respond with anger and indignation. Ignore them. Clearly they’re not worth your time if they get so incredibly butt-hurt over mere words on a computer screen.
    I’m 52, was born and raised in Philly, my mother, God rest her soul, initiated me into Phillies fandom when I was all of five years old, unfortunately, that was 1964, so I discovered the tremendous pain that comes from being a Phillies fan early on. I’ve been loyal to this team all my life, through the good years, the bad years and the truly horrible years, through near empty nights at the Vet to sellout crowds at the Bank, I’ve praised the team and I’ve criticized them, I’ve cheered and jeered, but I’ve never abandoned them. Not ever. That’s what being a true fan is all about, unfailing loyalty, not any of this Johnny-come-lately nonsense we’ve been seeing since the team’s renaissance a few years ago.
    In the meantime, keep on keeping on, my friend. You’re doing yeoman’s work here.

  36. Well said, Kyle.
    Most of the people who are responding negatively probably wouldn’t have been seen sweating their asses off in the Vet, watching Chad Ogea give up gopherball after gopherball.
    Except for the ones who are too young to remember 1993.
    The point is, Phillie fans are dangerously approaching “Pink Red Sox Hat” territory. Frankly, we’re becoming pretty fucking obnoxious.
    Before you flame me, tell me who Ricky Otero was. Tell me what # Juan Samuel wore as a player; tell me which player wears it, now. Tell me if you look back wistfully as Larry Christensen’s injuries robbed us of an awesome #2 behind Lefty.

  37. What a vapid, shallow piece of crap (written by a pretend journalist). It will surely appeal to a fourth segment of the fan base: the lowest common denominator.

  38. Ricky Otero was on fire for like 3 weeks in 1996.
    Really, this column is kinda stupid. I know “life long” fans that yell and boo and act like idiots. I know younger fans that try and keep score at games, and pay attention. Upon 2nd reading, this is really an amateur article. I like this blog a lot, but you’ve only kept steroetypes up with this one.

  39. Another lifer here…or as much of a lifer as I can be, having be born just before we lost the ’83 World Series. I come from a family who would have disowned me had I chosen to pull for any other team. I have multiple scrapbooks filled with mementos from the ’93 season, which is when I really started to get into baseball. My parents let me stay up way past my bedtime to watch the final game of that WS, and I clearly remember my first taste of sports heartbreak. I also remember spending hours waiting in line at the Acme to get Kevin Stocker’s autograph and I met Mickey Morandini at the local YMCA.
    My family moved away from Philly in ’95, but I still tried to catch as many games as I could, on TV and occasionally at the Vet. I was lucky enough to be back in the area for the ’08 season. Winning the WS was one of the best moments of my life, if only because my heart would break a little bit every time someone mentioned the Blue Jays. I’ve since moved south, into Braves country, which is a trial. But, I’m always the one person watching a Braves/Phillies game in the bar, cheering loudly for my team, and occasionally getting in verbal sparring matches with all of the Braves fans.
    And then the Braves fans look at me and wonder how a girl could possibly know so much about the game and how she could possibly care so much about one team.

  40. DEAD ON. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DIE HARD PHILLIES FANS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 20-28. MOST OF THEM JUST GO TO THE GAMES BECAUSE IT IS A SOCIAL GATHERING AND JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE TO GET DRUNK ON A WEEKNIGHT. I LOVED THIS ARTICLE.

  41. It seems that commenters are confusing “life long fan” with “I remember the Phillies existed before 2009″. And really, who can blame them? You can be a fan in any capacity and still consider yourself a “lifer”, even if you never go to games or watch them or know obscure players from the 90’s (when they were, in hindsight, all obscure players). Again, bad article, and annoying.

  42. Sooooo… who is watching the game tomorrow? I’m excited! Hahahaha

  43. Hey Bitchadelphia, most umpires can’t spot a balk either, lol.

  44. If you’re 23 or around there you would KNOW that fans my age never saw a championship until 2008, IN ANY SPORT. So don’t say we haven’t “pined” long enough to know the shitty days of Philly past. I have sat through Andy Reid’s two minute drill, Ray Rhodes (enough said) Eddie Jordan and all the rest of the slop that was put on the field/court. We are finally the Yankees (without selling our soul to the devil) let’s enjoy it and stop bashing the Philly fan. I would rather have 100 bandwagon jumping Phillies fans by my side when the Red Sox come into town than those punks!

  45. March 30th,2011…the day Kyle Scott and Crossing Broad JUMPED THE SHARK!

  46. Wow, despite whether the article was well written or not or necessary or not, it definitely drew some opinions. My personal thought is, were not going to know who the life long fans are and who the band wagon fans are until the Phillies are a bad team again. Hopefully that never happens and also hopefully if it does the past few years will have created more life long fans. Even though I sometimes think its the cool thing to do in this city to criticize other Phillies fans, I’ll still high five a drunk college guy in an “ill” shirt or a 85 year old guy that will probably end up being buried with his almost as old phillies hat because all of their money went towards giving us the team we have today. Especially Clifton Phifer and Doc.

  47. Everybody loves Chooch

    March 30, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    I truly fit into none of these categories.
    I can’t call myself a lifelong Phillies fan – I didn’t grow up here. I’d call myself a lifelong baseball fan, but I grew up in Arizona where we didn’t even HAVE a baseball team until 1997.
    But I AM a baseball fan – I became a fan once we finally got a team (I even skipped my high school homecoming to watch the World Series between the Diamondbacks and the Yankees), and then once I moved to the East coast I became a Phillies fan.
    So am I a lifelong Phillies fan? No, not by your definition, but between the two teams I’ve watched over my lifetime, they’re the team that I’ve come to love the most.

  48. … talk about “bored writers”. – John E.

  49. “Phone calls were made before beers were drank on October 29th, 2008.” This was me. I live in SD and was on the phone with my friends back home (Yes, Philly will always be home) for the final out so I could hear the town implode. I ran into the street and broke my spoon while banging it on a pot. I beeped my car horn. Not one neighbor even came out to see what all the racket was. It would have been nice to have some other fans in the neighborhood to dance in the street with – lifers or bandwagoners. It wouldn’t have mattered.
    Crystal memories growing up as a kid, seeing the old timers sitting in their beach chairs with a six pack in a cooler and the 12 inch black and white TV on the step on a sweltering summer night.
    I met some Red Sox fans recently in Vegas. We started talking about the teams and the Cliff Lee of it all. One of the guys said, “I love talking sports with east coast girls. They know what they’re talking about and it’s hot!” We bought them a round of drinks but they didn’t return the favor. Clowns!
    The Phillies (Flyers, and Eagles) are a staple of my growing up. I came from a family of sports-watching-following-cheering for fans. I can still hear the long drawn out pronunciations of Larreeeeee Boooowaaaaaa and Willieeeee Montaneeeeez at the Vet. I was at the 1980 parade.
    You can be a lifer or you can be a bandwagoner, just don’t be an obnoxious asshole. SAID.

  50. I cried a bit when Harry died. I still choke up thinking about listening to him call a game while I was in my “onsie PJ’s with feet” up past bed time as a kid. And i still wouldn’t trade being able to get cheap seats anytime for the team we have now. I am finally realizing what it must feel like to root for an MLB contender, year in, year out. And I like it.
    GO FLYERS!!! WOOT!!

  51. I agree with 90% of people on here, both for and against this article. I believe that what you are saying is mostly true and jest, but I also believe that posting this as a fan yourself isn’t the best idea. Tell me how great is it to watch the Phillies play in another ball park and be able to point out the huge number of fans there. They are usually bandwagon fans, some just die hard fans that travel and some who grew up in Philly, but mostly bandwagon fans. It is still awesome to see how wide the Phillies fan base it. Just next time keep it to yourself and don’t post an article about it.

  52. You forgot to mention the true scum of Philadelphia. The fans who during football season wear their gross yellow and black or blue and silver then as soon as spring hits pull out their 3 year old Phillies shirts. GO. AWAY. If you’re a phillies fan than your an eagles fan, and a flyers fan, and a sixers fan. Boom.

  53. So if I’m not throwing up on people, I’m supposed to be keeping score? What happened to just following my team? I think this column is gonna cause more #1s, alienate #3s, and confuse #2s.
    (ps – everyone will demand that they are a life long fan, what does that even mean, I knew who the Phillies were when I was a kid?)

  54. . . . and #1, #2, and #3 can be all the same person. This column is stupid.

  55. How many more times do we have to sit through another lazy article generalizing Philadelphia fans? What makes this the worst of all is that someone calling himself a Phillies fan and journalist actually wrote it. What date did Crossingbroad start? Last time I checked your archives go back all the way to December 2009. Sounds like your the fraud.

  56. Like a lot of other people on here this is the first time I’ve felt compelled to comment. Normally, I love your posts but this one is trash. It sounds like you think to be a true Phillies fan you have to have started liking baseball in ’93 and be in your mid 20’s. Seems the section about the lifelong fan is describing you personally. So what if I give the ’08 Phils a free pass for life? They are the only championship team I have ever known and my memory was still in the developmental stages in 1993. Rant aside, I love this blog and read it everyday. Keep trashing the Mets and Wheels and I’ll keep reading.

  57. It’s a good article, but I think Kyle even missed the point of his own piece here. Citizen’s Bank Park is just a microcosm of America itself. Philly is a rather diverse city and the Phillies Success brings a lot of people to the stadium. I don’t think an “ILL” shirt makes a person a bad fan. Most kids these days are douche bags in general. Seriously, I’m almost 30 and I can’t believe how big of assholes kids are. By kids I mean the 21 and under crowd. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a few beers and got tuned up A LOT when I was younger but I was never a total jerk off. It’s not just at the Ball Park it’s anywhere. Hold a door open for any teenager and see if the prick thanks you.
    I also agree with the person who said all fans are good fans. Who gives a shit if someone didn’t start rooting for the Phillies until 2008 or whatever. The team’s payroll has DOUBLED in 4 years! Would you rather the Stadium be half full of “Life Long Die Hards” and the payroll be $80mil or would you rather have a packed house for 120+ consecutive games and be able to afford the greatest rotation in the franchise’s history?
    I’ve been priced out of the stadium and I couldn’t care less. I love the Phils and I’d personally rather not be able to afford to go to games because ticket demand is so high and see the Phillies WINNING instead of going on the cheap and watching them suck balls. Maybe that is just me.

  58. i found this to be an interesting article. i never put much thought into what type of fan i am… im just a fan. ive been going to games with my old man for about 22 years now (im 26) i love the game. i feel that anyone who puts energy into labeling what type of fan they are cares about something that has no effect on what our phillies are doing. my buddies say im a bandwagon fan because ive always said baseball doesnt start for me until hockey season is over. a few would say im a bad baseball fan for saying that. so be it, it won’t change how i feel about it… on a sidenote, how can anyone hate a dude with a handful of titty?
    i liked the article. not mad at ya.

  59. I’m 32, own an Ill shirt, and prefer Miller Lite plastic pounders to Bud Light aluminum. I’ll be honest that I never paid much attention to baseball until 8 or so years ago…think it coincided with the inevitable downfall of the “Me 1st” NBA. Anyhow, is there a point to this pissing contest? In my opinion, fandom is a very subjective phenomena. And there is beauty in that. It makes for a very diverse atmosphere at the games. So long as you’re not puking on someone or cursing up a storm in your seat when there is a kid in the next row. A fan is a fan is a fan. It doesn’t matter whose is bigger brotha!

  60. Hey guys, let’s stop feeding Kyle’s ego and stop commenting on this BS article.

  61. Kyle you didn’t even have to waste the effort in describing a bandwagon fan, all you had to do is say: “those wearing ‘ill’ t-shirts and we all would’ve known exactly what you were talking about…
    And its true I could care less what kind of fan you are, just don’t be a dipshit and run on the field and annoy those around you.

  62. I LOVE page views! WHOO!!!

  63. I am a Phillies fan, does it really matter where I “fit in” we all have 1 common theme, we enjoy the Philadelphia Phillies…..that is enough..this article is an interesting look into how 1 single person categorizes the fan base. Let us leave it at that, an interesting read. It is not correct, but it is not wrong, it is an opinion, posted on a free based blog.
    I respect Kyle for these interesting articles, they are good reads and I will continue to say, keep going!
    Thanks…go Phils!!
    ….and for the rest of you upset at this article, there is an [X] at the top right of this browser window, click that and BOOM your problem/issue has magically disappeared!!!

  64. Hmm.. Kyle I think you have two options here. 1 post another pic of Mr. Met in an awkward situation, asking everyone to post a caption (this usually settles things down) or hire a couple body guards for the tail gate on Cliff Lee day.

  65. A blog that’s been around since 2009….is bashing folks who became fans in 2008. Huh?

  66. Adam B.- you nailed it right on the head. The only fans at the ballpark i can’t stand are the disrespectful punk kids that get annihilated in the parking lot before they come in. I just turned 30 and I enjoy partaking in a few or many beverages, but these kids are just getting destroyed and being absolute a-holes once they get in the park. I was a punk kid that liked to get wasted when i was younger too but I never came close to acting the way these kids do now. I’m not saying all of them because i know plenty of younger people that are a lot of fun and are very cool to be around even when wasted. But there are some that are just there to be in a large public gathering and could care less that there’s a game going on.

  67. “You can be a lifer or you can be a bandwagoner, just don’t be an obnoxious asshole. SAID.”
    Well done Franny. SAID!

  68. Jesus is the 5th starter

    March 30, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    @Kyle – I won tickets to the game on saturday through a charity auction – Sec 103, Row 1. I will buy you a beer for writing this article.
    Also, anyone know the weather situation for friday? Rain? Snow? Sulphur and Ash?

  69. Oh I forgot, apparently you arent allowed to be a Phillies fan unless you run a blog….douchebag

  70. As someone who moved to Philly from Boston in 1995, it took me a while to become a Phillies fan. I didn’t really start going to games until 2001. So does that make me a “bandwagon” fan? I mean it’s not as though I chose to be raised in Boston (though I was broken hearted over 1993; once in a while, we could pick up 1210 – when it was WOGL-AM – so I could hear Harry, Whitey, and Andy).
    I think there are some valid points made here, though I don’t agree with every single point. I think a lot of people will continue to cling to 2008 because it was the first major league championship for Philadelphia since 1983, so I can see where some people are coming from.
    And, to be honest, I really didn’t follow baseball as much between 1994 and 2000 – it wasn’t so much because of the Phillies per se, but it was more because of the strike. Took me a while to forgive MLB for cancelling the Series in 1994.
    Still, it takes a lot of balls to write this column, so hats off…

  71. Apparently, a lot of feelings were hurt today…sheesh.

  72. Good article, and really think some people viewed this unfairly. Good work, and check this web page 5 or more times a day. You are the man.

  73. It is kinda shocking how much you pimp out your shitty Phillies tailgate yet wanna go after different fans. Whats the matter? Everyone started liking Coldplay but you saw them first so its not cool now? Elitist fuck.

  74. Couldn’t agree more Kyle, pretty much word for word. The people on here with nasty responses clearly don’t understand where you’re coming from……….and that’s exactly the point of the article.

  75. dave hollins will kill u

    March 30, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    1. Ricky Otero was a stud for like a month in 1996 he hit 2 homers at wrigley but then sucked worst then Desi (not Dezi) Relfords farts
    2. Dickie Thon would like to speak to you about this article
    3. I agree with what you said about 1 and 2 but then i dont know what your point is after that.
    4.The front runners loser d-bag, graphic-t, tan, ripped jeans GUYS and The girl with fake extensions, tan, and boobs go just to mcfaddenass to find a soulmate are very annoying the young kids who are there just to tailgate, fight, and hookup are also losers AGREE
    5.But if i want to watch the 2008 video yearbook once a month i have every right too bro i was sitting in the 700 level at 6yrs old back in 88 watching chris james strike out everynight ok so those who are real fans be proud of 08 and forever have a mancrush on chase utley …Kyle dont try to be marcus hayes with an edgy post your better then that cuz

  76. I cant believe that I’m still seeing posts about the boobgrabbing incident. I just want to add to the fact that Kyle Scott first post in being one of the fans in the photo. I am the one wearing the Ill shirt in that picture and I have been the kind of fan who rocks them without regard to what you consider me as when you look at me at the game. I am there to watch the game not impress you. Unfortunately I was embarrassed by all the people judging what they thought of the situation.. but I suppose it became funny at some point to how much opinions people have of each other. But this blogg, I dont find funny, Im offended and I would like you to take it down.. :) Please and thank you are the magic words.

  77. @GMC- I agree about the seats now that the team has become more popular. I’m young, (22), so my CBP memories are defintely more clear than my Vet memories, but I remember my grandpa picking up a pair of tickets for $10-$20 a piece, on a whim, and taking me to a weekend game as a kid. Granted, this was 10+ years ago, but I realized how much things have changed when my boyfriend and I had to pay over $200 to a ticket broker for 2 good seats to Saturday’s game. Kinda made me wish I could go back in time to the crappy vet :P

  78. THOSE ILL SHIRTS ARE THE WORST.

  79. 3 Finger Lenny

    March 31, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Sounds like Kylie wants the Phillies all toooo himself

  80. As a lifelong fan, I try to be unbiased to newcomers. Actually, I just try to be blissfully ignorant to them. I hate to say that the bottom line is if you’re offended by this article, you’re probably a fair-weather fan.
    I want to be happy that, over the last 3 years, we’ve had an earth-shattering increase in our fan base. But it’s hard to keep a high tolerance when you see an adult girl with a picture of Jimmy Rollins on her Facebook wall with the caption “Rollens!!” You’re a huge fan, yet you know if know how to accurately spell names. Let’s not forget the intoxicated guys who care more about harrassing the videographer to get on Phan-O-Vision than what’s happening on the field.

  81. Loved it, wish you would have touched on the hoards of chicks who know nothing about baseball but LOVE “their” Phillies. They are nice to look at at the games, and I get some nice mentals from them….but they are a very annoying subsection of Group 1.

  82. there is nothing i love more than being at a phils game & getting a free smell of all the slamming p*ssy and crab fried in the air

  83. This post is a steaming hot pile of garbage. Who cares how long someone has been rooting for the team.

  84. great post. also, real fans don’t add the pointless “ph” in front of every word relating to the phillies.

  85. I did grow up going to the Vet and I miss the $4 bleacher seats. Walking up on Opening Day @ the Vet to buy tickets right before the game during the awful years. Many, many memories. Went to game 5 of the ’93 World Series and was there when the Phils ended the 12 hour rain delay against the Padres- remember it like it was yesterday. I do believe that we should welcome “new” fans but to a fault- be honest about the time you came to be a fan but don’t talk to me about the crappy playing years like you were a fan then.

  86. I love most of this article, mainly the part about the a**holes in Ill shirts…I hate those things and think they are rediculous and embarassing and I associate them with the “Phairweather Phans” that are in their early 20’s, getting inebriated in the parking lots and damaging propety of fans who come from other cities to watch their teams play against us…while I do understand that rivalry is fun it can be done tastefully as opposed to throwing beer cans at peoples cars…I am in my late 30’s grew up with the Phillies and remember the good and the bad years…I cheer when they win, I cry when they lose, I balled my eyes out when we lost HK…anyone who is bashing this article most likely owns an Ill shirt

  87. Anyway, enough ranting. The KMB project always ends with free hot dogs, chips, soft drinks and cookies at Hogan Park. And today was no exception. However, in the past, the chef’s special was always blackened hot dogs — dogs with a burned crust. Some might have thought it was a result of sloppy grillmanship, but those of us from the “glass is half full” school

  88. PhilsPhaninFL

    April 8, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Awesome article! The fact that there are so many pissed off people commenting here means that you really hit a spot. Nice Job! I love it. From a true life long fan who remembers ’80, ’83, and ’93. I loved ’08 but can still look at this team objectively as much as I love them. All of these emotional rants crack me up. Reminds me of conversations I have with friends who are already claiming the 2011 World Series title for the Phillies in April.

  89. I don’t really know what group I am in. Probably Group 2. I am a very docile newbie baseball watcher, I love the sport. And I understand how its played and all, but there’s all the technical stuff I don’t know and that I am still trying to learn. Like pitching… that is so alien to me, however, I do like Lee because I started watching the Phillies in ’09 and he was just amazing. I was thoroughly disappointed when they trade him, but he had a great season last year, and I’m happy he’s back on the team. My whole family have always loved the Phillies, but I am not a really big sports person, but I do really love watching baseball, and especially listening to it on the radio. However, I hate group 1, because they know less about baseball than I do, and they are loud and obnoxious and the girls in that group especially irritate me, because they just like the Phillies to be cute. Urgh.

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