Scott Boras and Ruben Amaro Sword Fight Over Madson Deal


Jon Heyman, now of CBS Sports, relays this information from Ryan Madson's agent, Scott Boras: [CBS Sports]

Madson came close to doing a $44-million, four-year deal with the Phillies earlier this winter, as everyone knows by now. But Madson's agent Scott Boras wanted to make it clear that Madson did not reject that proposal, as has been suggested in some places on the blogosphere, and in fact informed the Phillies he was ready to sign back with the Phillies for that $44-million deal he said was proposed. "He told the Phillies he would accept it, and the Phillies decided not to execute it,'' Boras said by phone.


And here's more, as told to Jerry Crasnick: []

"It's very simple," Boras said. "We never rejected any offer from Philadelphia at four years and $44 million. We advised Philadelphia that we would agree to such a proposal. And Philadelphia decided upon hearing that to go in a different direction."

When pressed for details on the discussions, Boras reiterated, "We agreed to a four-year, $44 million offer, and Philadelphia decided to sign someone else."


Huh. Sounds like the words of a guy who just lost his client $36 million… but it could be true. Ruben Amaro, however, disagrees that they agreed. He whipped out his presumably enraged cock and offered this response: []

"There's no reason for me to get into a public debate with Scott on this [editor's note: heh]," Amaro said. "I have no desire to do that. All I can tell you is, there was never an agreement, and we decided that we wanted to sign someone with the experience and the ability of Jonathan Papelbon. So we went that route.

"There's no question we had discussions with Ryan about bringing him back. We had several discussions about it. But no agreement was made. If we had come to an agreement, we would have signed him.''


I got my popcorn. I'm not sure who to root for, though. It's like choosing between a snake and a liar. I'm kidding! Go, Rube! Go!

But, who's telling the truth?

In November, the Phillies and Madson were reportedly close to agreeing on a $44 million deal. Almost immediately after those stories came out, though, local beat writers chimed in, saying that the Phils preferred Papelbon (credit to Jim Salisbury there), whom they eventually signed. Perhaps all the commotion, at the time, was over the fact that the Phillies gently or not-so-gently backed out on their offer to Madson. And if that was the case, it would explain what's below from Heyman, who was given his information by Boras: [CBS Sports]

The Phillies at some point tried to re-engage Madson about returning on a much lower deal, but after being under the impression he had a deal with his old team for $44 million Madson never re-entered serious talks with his old team. 


Scene: “Hey, how’s $44 million sound?” 

“Great! I’ll take.”

“Never mind, we gave $50,000,058 to the river dancer. How’s $8 million?”

“Fuck you. … Oh, and Sarah says fuck the fans.”


That’s probably not exactly how it went down, but I'd imagine it's close.

However, if Amaro is the one telling the truth – that there was no deal in place – then we can safely assume that Boras is looking for a villain, and Madson chose the Reds because he wanted an opportunity to close, not because he was pissed off at the Phillies. The world will never know.

And yes, that is a penis straw separating Boras and Amaro in the image at the top of this post. I thought it, um, fit.

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25 Responses

  1. Well we replaced Madson with Papelbon, so who cares? Good luck Ryan, sorry your wife’s kind of a cunt.

  2. Even though I love Ruben, I tend to believe Boras and Madson on this one.
    The Phillies probably didn’t realize Papelbon was going to be a serious option until after they made the offer to Madson, or else they would have never put it on the table.
    Rubes obviously wanted a closer with an actual proven track record, instead of Madson who will PROBABLY be good for an entire season.
    I still think the Phillies made the right choice by signing Paps, even though it probably wasn’t exactly the cleanest or most respectful way to deal with Madson.

  3. You don’t put an offer out there unless you are serious about signing that player. So I doubt that the Phils offered the deal, Madson/Boras accepted the deal, and then went and signed Papelbon.
    Sounds like Boras said “we’ll think about it” trying to shop the offer with other teams (what an agent gets paid to do), trying to drive the price up. Phils probably got pissed at this and went and signed Paps even though the offer was still out there for Madson.
    Madson has to be pissed at Boras, and Boras is using the Phils as a scape goat.
    Every now and then the agent doesn’t get exactly what he/she and the player want, and something backfires. This is a case study in that.

  4. What Dino said makes sense. That sounded like something Boras would do, sit on the Phils’ offer and see if something better might come along, but Ruben decided not to wait, went in another direction and signed Papelbon. Not exactly a terrible choice, mind you.

  5. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. In the above photos, that’d be right where your penis straw is. Coincidence? I think not! 🙂
    In my opinion, this whole situation has gotten blown out of proportion. It was really a no-brainer for the Phillies: a veteran, proven closer that costs $15 million per year, versus $11 per year for a guy who’s held that job for 2/3 of a season.
    Put another way: if I were having surgery, I’d absolutely pick the doctor with 5 years experience who costs $1,500, than the one who went from resident to surgeon 3 months ago and will charge me $1,100.

  6. It is an easy one. There was a deal in place but it wasn’t set in stone. Boras talked tot he media saying it was done, which we all know Big Poker hates. He said fuck you Whoras no deal. Poker proceeded to call river dance said how much do you want for 4 years, where 50 mil was replied. Rube said well give you 50 mil and 58 dollars to piss of whoras more. game set match Rube.

  7. All I have to say is thank GOD Cole Hamels doesn’t have Boras as an agent. I have a feeling Rube and Scott won’t be doing too much business for a little while.

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  10. Since Rubes likes to make his off season moves early, sounds like he made what he thought was a great offer early, and Boras said we will get back to you and continued to shop him. Then Rubes said F You and signed Paps

  11. The Phillies claim there was no deal and Boras claims he didn’t reject $44 million. Boras probably proposed a $44 million deal as the “market” for Madson. RAJ then demurred and negotiated with Papelbon. During the silence Boras leaked the $44 million deal he proposed to create public pressure on the Phillies to sign Madson. That had the effect of pushing the Phillies closer to Papelbon even if they needed to overpay. This still may work out for everyone, but Madson has more risk than he wanted in an unfamiliar town no less. RAJ rests comfortably believing he taught Boras a lesson that should pay dividends in the future. Boras remains convinced he did the right thing for his client as negotiations are inherently risky. This isn’t the first time Boras overplayed his hand. Just ask Kevin Millwood.

  12. I agree it makes more sense that it was Boras who was dicking around and lost the deal for his client. It just doesn’t seem right that Amaro would put the offer out there and then go in a completely different direction. Now I’m interested to see how the relationship between Madson and Boras plays out in the future.

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