Should the Phillies Trade Chase Utley Today?

Kyle Scott —  July 2, 2013 — 64 Comments

Bob Ford says they should:

Teams do what they have to do, however. When you look at it carefully, the Phillies almost have to trade Utley. It just makes sense. The sooner they do it, the better they can make out in the deal. A three-month rental costs more than a two-month rental, meaning that waiting for the non-waiver trade deadline doesn’t really benefit the Phillies.

So, if it happens, it could be any day. It could be tomorrow. And just like that, a whole lot of yesterdays will disappear. He might not even say good-bye. He might just nod.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to find a way to get these tears out of my Crispix.

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64 responses to Should the Phillies Trade Chase Utley Today?

  1. Chase is the heart & soul of the Phillies.

    I wouldn’t trade him unless someone really offered something extraordinary for him.

    Now Jimmy, Young (both), Papelbon, Lee, etc.? In a heartbeat. Howard? (No one woulf take him at this point.)

    • Yes, the heart and soul of a two-year-running non-playoff, sub-.500 team in need of young talent. Keep him why? Because we like memories? Because you’re wistful?

      You’re an idiot.

      • but you make such a valid point to get rid of arguably the best hitting second baseman in the league. it’s not chase utley’s fault the team is piss poor AND he’s got another five years in him.

        • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 11:31 am

          5 years? where did you pull that arbitrary number from? A guy with a track record of DL stints, not to mention his degenerative knees, who gets older just like everyone else…

          “Arguably the best hitting second baseman in the league.” — That point actually is valid, given the complete lack of good second basemen in the NL.

          It’s time to move on from this regime, how does keeping him help reset the slate or add value to the team? The only way for this team to be relavant again is to change. If you can get anything for him, you might as well. The last thing this team needs is another Jimmy Rollins-esque extension of an aging “fan-favorite” to the detriment of the progression of the team.

          His time here was great, but it’s time to let go.

          • we philly fans have a habitual tendency of hanging onto the past, which means we are often in denial of the present. this year now marks the 4th straight year that chase utley has missed a considerable part of the season. additionally, it is a 4th straight year of declining numbers in hits, hr, rbi, and gp. simply put, his run is over. though i despise bob ford, he is correct on the point that value for utley is higher now than a month from now. if an AL team wants to give up something up for him, then let’s do it. i hate to say it, but a fire sale is looming. while 07-10 was a magical run, its time to sell what we can, get what we can for it, and see what we can do from here.

        • Ummm… The Cardinals had no problem parting ways with Albert Pujols, the best hitter in Baseball for the past 12 years, regardless of position. Look what he is doing this year… nada. Chase may still be putting good numbers up relative to other second basemen, but his defense has suffered AND what value is he to us while we are sub .500. His value lies on another team that is in the hunt and just needs a little extra punch in the lineup.

    • Pirates fan who goes to Temple July 2, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      To phils fans, your run is over you pompous assholes.
      BTW thank you amaro for giving us jason grill!!!
      Lmao lol lol hahahajahahaha losers

      • Delmon Young’s Eating Disorder July 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm

        Other than this gar-bage little run, when is the last the Pirates were relevant you wet vagina?

      • 1979,hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

      • pirates fan who goes to temple/pens fan who goes to temple, yes you’re team currently owns the best record in MLB. however, there is still another half-season of baseball to play and if my memory serves me correct, i believe your beloved bucs were well over the .500 mark at the all-star break each of the last 3 seasons only to shit the bed the second half of the season and add to their miserable and pathetic streak of 20 straight seasons of sub .500 baseball. that means the last time your pirates were relevant you were merely a spec in the load of a fat- bearded yinzer who was fucking another another fat yinzer after each of them put down a case of iron city beer and 5 primanti sandwiches! so, do us all favor and pick from any of the 446 bridges in pittsburgh and just jump already!

      • ThePhillyFlash July 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm

        Hey, shitstain! Does 1992 hold any significance for you? That was the last time your precious Pirates finished a season above .500, AND the last time they were in the playoffs. Come sit at the grown-up table when the Yucs actually become a serious postseason contender and not before.

  2. Why did you have to link the video. Watching that again made this whole thing harder to deal with. I hate you Kyle Scott with your poop mouth, poop mouth.

  3. Noooooooooooo! They can’t do it. I will seriously cry if that happens. I can’t even really say Chase is my favorite player, Shane always was in recent years, but Chase is truly the heart and soul of this team. If he is gone via trade, I just can’t take it.

    • Hi Nina, if you’re heartbroken about it, i’m here for you. Trade the shortstop he’s a loser.

      • I will definitely be heartbroken. I know they’ve been hard to watch at times this year, but you always feel like Chase gives it his all everyday. He cares. You can’t really say that for a lot of the other guys, at least they don’t project that. I think trading him is like giving up.

        • Crucify Wheels July 2, 2013 at 10:12 am

          I will miss Chase, but 9.5 games back on July 2 is as good a time as any to give up when the average age of your team is over 30 and your laden with fat contracts. Not to mention when you also have the worst bullpen in MLB. The truth hurts sometimes.

        • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 11:35 am

          How do you know other players don’t care?

          I love when people say that, “Chase cares, you can’t say that for the other guys”. Why just because he hustles every play? Absurd.

          Giving up on what exactly? On a losing team that has absolutely no bright future at the moment… if anything trading him, or any other player that facilitates change and young is a step in the right direction

          • Hey asshole, hustling/not hustling is a pretty good indicator of a player caring or not caring. I suppose the only better way to tell would be to call them up and ask them if they care. But oh wait, none of us have a personal relationship with any Phillies. Shut up, asshole.

          • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 12:30 pm

            You’re an idiot… Chase Utley is the only player who cares? He’s the only player that hustles?

            You’re whole comment proves my point… It’s stupid to say that one player cares more/less than another. Everyone hustles, it’s just more apparent with him since he runs out every ground ball or pop up he hits, outside of those two things, how does he care more than, say Kyle Kendrick, or Chooch, or Ben Revere, or Dom Brown… Since know one ones and its impossible to tell, its a meaningless thing to say.. that was eveidently over your head

          • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 12:31 pm

            *Your whole comment

            in case anyone wants to be the grammar police

          • Crucify Wheels July 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm

            “Everyone hustles, it’s just more apparent with him since he runs out every ground ball or pop up he hits, outside of those two things….”

            Ummmmmmm running out ground balls and pop ups is pretty much the definition of hustling on offense in baseball. Besides running over the catcher at home, what else is there, not making small talk with the guy on 1B? Jesus

          • That Whimpy Dear?! July 2, 2013 at 2:43 pm

            Wheels,

            you’re right, there really isn’t any other way to quantify “hustle”. Perhaps I didn’t use the best wording there. My whole problem was with generalizing that most of the team doesn’t hustle and/or doesn’t care just based upon Utley’s level of hustle or care, two things which aren’t mutually exclusive

    • Captain Obvious July 2, 2013 at 10:26 am

      Nina, you are clearly an idiot for liking that dumb as fuck Victorino Now get the fuck out of here and go back to Pinterest.

  4. We need to change …I would love to keep Utley…depending on the value we get in return …also we need to know, would he consider resigning with incentive clauses in contract….I would like to trade everybody else first ….the business side of game says …yes,trade Utley
    ..

  5. Get chase, pap & lazy jimmy the fuck out of here

  6. Nina says I cant even say he is my favorite player, that is shane… ALL CREDIBILITY LOST! And to those of you saying Chase is the heart and soul and bashing the shortstop, get your head examined. Jimmy hasn’t been hurt in years, and was the true motor of that great run. Stop the madness.

    • That’s why they sucked then retard. A motor who doesn’t run to first….you’re the moron

    • I hate when people say Jimmy was the heart and soul of the team. He never hustles or cares about his teammates. Go back and watch the tapes. Jimmy was the biggest cheerleader on this team only when he was hot. When he was hitting well he is on the top step cheering his team on and getting them fired up. The other five months of the season he was too busy hitting .260 with an OBP of .320 (as a leadoff hitter), leading the league in infield popups and first pitch swings, and swaggering back to the dugout pouting until one of the big guys hit a homerun late in the game to win it, then he would come running out with a smile on his face like he wasnt just pouting in the dugout about his latest failure at the plate. Jimmy is not a leader he is a cry baby and is only happy when Jimmy is doing well. How many times did we see him jog to first base and an infielder would bobble the ball and then he would get thrown out because he wasnt hustling.

    • So if you look at the actual “run” this team had it goes roughly from 2007-2011. During that span J-Stroll avg 137 games and batted .267 (as a lead off hitter) while Utley avg 133 games and batted .288. Over that span Jimmy’s OBP was .330 while Utley’s was .384. Jimmy was benched for not hustling at least a half dozen times in that span while Utley was benched zero times. Jimmy being the motor that made this team go was the biggest facade ever. I liked Jimmy for what he was but he was hardly the offensive motor of this team. Great defensive player but never worked to be the offensive player he could’ve been. Resigning Jimmy was another mistake in the long list of mistakes RAJ has made the last few seasons. Would much rather of seen Chase end his career with the Phils over Rollins.

      • Crucify Wheels July 2, 2013 at 9:59 am

        If Rollins had only focused his game on hitting Tony Gwynn singles between the infielders, running hard to first, and stealing, he’d be a lock for the HOF. Instead he swings for the fences half the time and gives up on grounders before he leaves the box. He’s a shmug.

    • I just always liked Shane’s personality & spunk on the field. Chase is a little too serious for me. Sorry if that ruins my credibility.

  7. I would be okay with trading Utley, as this team is out of contention for a wildcard spot, but I have zero (zip) confidence in the Phillies brass who would be choosing the players they would receive in return. This is based on their recent stellar selection of other team’s prospects.

  8. No. You trade Papelbon, Lee, Rollins and Michael Young. You keep Chase because he still has value at a very shallow position. He still has gas left in the tank. He could easily transition back to the outfield to save his knee’s too. He couldn’t be any worse in RF then Delmon Young. Then there’s the question of value. What value would he have? What would you even get for him at this point that would be worth it? Simply put, nothing. You’d get nothing for him that would make it worth it to trade him.

    Papelbon and Lee have value to a contender. Rollins wouldn’t get you much either but might get you more because he offers elite defense at a key position.

    • good points FACE. +1. personally, i think you could get some decent return in the form of prospects and/or relievers for M. Young and D. Young right now to the AL. put howard on the DL because clearly the guy is a team player, but he’s quite obviously hurt. bring up ruf, asche… chase in left, dom brown in right, cesar hernadez at second. that’s a hella revamped lineup, you stash a few dollars, re-sign chase for two years with an option for a third RIGHT NOW and listen to the league for offers on anyone else. Even lee is somewhat expendable if biddle can live up to some of the hype. tough decisions, but i wouldn’t trade anything unless you get yourself something worthwhile. i.e., don’t trade ‘em for a sack of nickels, RUBE… and before your comment makes you the awesome troll you are telling people they’re stupid for wanting to keep chase utley, i suggest: A) tell me what you’d trade chase utley for and B) you try to do rube’s job and come out on top. i bet you can’t.

      • I wouldn’t trade Utley for anything that any team would be willing to part with so I can safely say that I just would not trade him.

        I’d deal Lee for a prospect like Castellanos, Olt, Profar…I want one of the top guys if I’m even considering it. None of this Phillipe Aumont crap.

        I think Papelbon should go and I think he’d get an insane return. Closer is so shallow and he’s very consistent. I’d be shopping heavily.

    • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm

      This Just In,

      Transitioning to the outfield doesn’t “save your knees”. I do agree with you about Delmon Young though…

      Worth trading for? What about a decent bullpen guy that doesn’t get bombs dropped on him like Dresden or doesn’t walk the world when he comes into a game… How about the money you save by not resigning a guy who currently makes $15mil and will be 35 years old next season.

      • You really are a fucking asshole, everybody is right. Of course moving to the outfield would prolong his career dip shit. The movement required during a game in the middle infield defensively for double plays, covering first, playing ground balls, covering for steals, rotating for bunts, moving to the cut off positions, backing up at first base would no longer be required. have you ever played baseball loser?

        • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm

          Actually I have played baseball for over 20 years big guy, and I have played both second base and the outfield… They both require running. While there is definitely more sudden starting and stopping in the middle infield, going to the outfield really doesn’t make a hug world of difference. If anything they would move Utley to corner infield, not the outfield. Thanks for the basic fundamental second base responsibilities tutorial though, I’m glad you felt the need to explain that.

          The only guy who moved to the outfield in recent memory was Chipper Jones, and he moved back to third base. The only move that really would save anyone’s knees is moving from catcher to first, and it doesn’t really save anything, it just prolongs the inevitable..

  9. no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

  10. The worse GM in phils history Ruben Amaro, Jr. used to fuck lesile guidel back in the day. Some freaky sex too

  11. Candy from the Oak July 2, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Kyle, for your byob tailgate cans or bottles?

  12. Trade Rollins, trade howard, trade anyone but not Utley. He is the best player on the team and there is nothing you can get to replace him. As long as Rollins and Howard are on this team we are not going anywhere. They’re both rich and could care less about baseball. Nobody cares more than Utley does.

  13. kyle is the meat in a carter/richards sandwich July 2, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Utley got hurt in the time it took to write this post. Trade him now before he gets hurt again.

  14. First Down Freddie July 2, 2013 at 9:47 am

    If it’s Gillick, or at least a competent GM pulling the strings, then I say maybe, let’s see what we can get. But with Amaro, you just fucking know he’s going to get bent over and ram-rodded. So no.

  15. Crucify Wheels July 2, 2013 at 9:52 am

    If you can get even a sniff of a decent prospect for Utley then yes trade him. He is healthy and hitting right now, plus he’s not coming back after this season anyway. But if you trade him and get some shitty lefty for our stink bullpen that will fade into nothingness by spring training, then fuck you Rube. The Phillies need to rebuild now, and the best shot in doing that is trading Lee and Paps while their market price is sky high for legit young talent.

    That said I can still see Utley and Chooch maybe both going to the Yankees in a package.

  16. I’m not sentimental about breaking up this team of has-beens and never-weres, but I wouldn’t trade Utley unless you get extraordinary value for him. There are too many other pieces that need to move and his contract is reasonable.

    He’s your seed corn – the one vet you want to keep around to show the new Phillies how to be a successful pro in Philadelphia.

    Obviously if there’s a team that recognizes that extra value and makes an appropriate offer because they really want him, you trade him because this team is going nowhere right now, but teams generally don’t pay extra for that sort of thing.

    • Oops, I misread his contract years.

      Eh…I guess it’s pretty simple then: if you can come to reasonable terms with him in the next month, you keep him. If you can’t, you move him.

  17. ThePhillyFlash July 2, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Let me start by saying I love Chase Utley who’s a classic throwback and plays the game the right way. But, let’s get real here, he’s no different than Joe Montana, Wayne Gretzky or Wilt Chamberlain, legends who are FAR bigger than Utley can ever hope to be, and they were all traded, so no player in no sport is sacrosanct.

    The cold, terrible truth is that this era of Phillies baseball, easily the best since the late 70′s is over, has been for two years now. All we have at present are a group of aging stars who are in decline and simply can’t summon the ghosts of the past for one last playoff push as many fans hoped way back in spring training. For anyone to think the Phils can still make the postseason, given how horribly inconsistent they’ve played after the first three months is foolish.

    Like it or not, it’s time for the mercy killing, time to let go, time to blow this thing up, trade anyone and everyone who has value and start over. And yes, that includes Utley. The sooner you get used to that reality, people, the easier it will be in the long run.

  18. Rather keep him and get the comp pick…that’ll be worth more then the prospect we get most likely.

  19. Fuck Chase Utley July 2, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Fuck. Chase. Utley. Knee problems all last season and during his contract year hes able to run out triples and shit. If Rube doesn’t trade this 35 year old while he’s still got value and resigns him for another 2-5 years and we’re stuck watching him, Rollins and Howard schlub it out there for all those years the Bank might burn down and Rube’s life should be sold to the North Koreans.

    • 1. Get used to Howard, because NO ONE is taking on that contract.

      2. Rollins will probably get dealt. That should’ve happened last year.

      3. Stay classy.

  20. Do it before the Twins trade Mauer and Morneau to the Yankees.

  21. No one is talking about the biggest waste of money on this team, Cole Hamels! Literally has provided NOTHING to this team since 2008. Talk about paying someone for memories. Seriously 2 wins!? One was because we out scored the 5 runs he gave up in 5 innings and the other win was against MIAMI. My little fucking brother could strike out half the lineup for MIAMI!

    • kyle is the meat in a carter/richards sandwich July 2, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      Stopped reading when you cited pitcher wins as a serious statistic.

      • That Whimpy Deer?! July 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm

        for real, possibly the most overrated stat in all of sports…

        however, he has some credence here, Hamels’ ERA is pretty bogus right now for what he’s getting paid. Leaving a lot of balls up in the zone and throwing a lot of pitches (tons of foul balls) don’t typically lend themselves to good pitching stats

        • ThePhillyFlash July 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm

          Not to mention early exits from high pitch counts, forcing Uncle Charlie to go to his cadre of firestarters in the bullpen who often make bad things worse. And even when Hamels has been given leads, he’s failed to hold them. All in all, I sum up Hamels’ 2013 troubles as a classic case of “that’s baseball”. Next year, he’ll probably be untouchable.

  22. Alabama Thunderpussy July 2, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Not sure why everyone wants to trade Utley so quickly when there is no viable replacement for him. Please don’t say Galvis and C. Hernandez should replace Utley because neither one can hit. There is already a few guaranteed outs in the lineup. No need to add anymore. Galvis is best used as a super utility player, late inning defensive replacement.

    • Crucify Wheels July 2, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      Hate to break it to you but we are past the looking glass here on “viable replacements”. That is something you worry about when your team is on the rise or an annual competitor, not when it’s a broken down pile of old man parts and dumb contracts. Reconcile the fact that we are about to have a few good players surrounded by mediocrity for at least three seasons.

      Remember when Burrell came up and we all hoped he’d be something special? He was surrounded by already declining Rolen, Marlon Anderson, Lieberthal, Johnny Estrada, Travis Lee, Reggie Taylor (does anyone remember uber-prospect Reggie Taylor!?). Yeah, that’s pretty much what Dom Brown is gonna have hanging around his next for the foreseeable future.

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