Now the Phillies are Considering Trading Cliff Lee

Kyle Scott - July 29, 2013

Bow-tie man himself, little Ken Rosenthal:

Actually, Lee hasn’t been traded during the season since 2010. Chances are, he will not be traded before the non-waiver deadline at 4 p.m. ET Wednesday. But the Phillies are discussing their All-Star left-hander with other clubs, according to major league sources, creating the possibility of another Lee blockbuster.

One rival executive on Sunday night acknowledged the Phillies’ willingness to trade Lee but said the team would do it only “for a lot!!!” — meaning, a steep package of talent.

Rosenthal then went on to list all the reasons why Lee probably won’t be traded: his contract, time constraints before the deadline, the Phils can afford Lee, his stiff neck, and – my favorite – Ruben Amaro’s inability to sell, which produced this line from a rival executive:

“Ruben has always been a buyer,” one rival executive said. “He doesn’t know how to sell.”

Cue he doesn’t know how to haggle clip.

I still think trading Lee would be foolish, for all the reasons here.


  • Mr. Miyagi July 29, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Follow my advice Ruben-san: Walk left side of road, safe. Walk right side of road, safe. Walk middle of road, sooner or later get squish, just like grape.

  • Doinker July 29, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Ehh theres no real clear answer for this one.

    On one hand, this is probably the best time to deal Lee if were ever going to. This team isnt going to be good again for awhile. We need to replenish our system somehow if were going to start rebuilding, and lee is probably the best guy for that.

    Then again, look at the shitty return Ruben got when he traded a younger, healthier, more playoff-successful lee to replenish the system…

    I dunno…Id say if youre gonna rebuild, trade him, though theres certainly good reason to keeo him. Either way were fucked because its ruben amaro making the decisions, so w ere gonna get shit if we trade him or were not gonna build a good team around him if we keep him. Sad sad sad…

  • B July 29, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I’d trade him if we could get Oscar Tavares from STL (about as likely as a snowstorm this afternoon).

  • Gray July 29, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Amaro got FAR too much credit from this city. HE didn’t build the 08 team, and since he was given the reigns – he acted more like “Flyers GM Lite” as opposed to a smart baseball man. Got nothing for the following players:

    Lee, Victorino, Pence

    Good luck on this deadline – I see more awful middle relief pitching coming our way.

    • James July 29, 2013 at 11:33 am

      I’ve been saying the same thing about RAJ for the last couple of years. I swear he was sleeping when Gillick was mentoring him. Everyone always points to the moves he made, like any other GM with a brain cell and the prospects to do it wouldn’t have traded for Halladay and Lee (one thing I’m pretty sure about is most GM’s wouldn’t have had to trade for Lee again because he never shouldn’t have been dealt away in the first place). Making the obvious moves doesn’t make you a great GM, it’s the moves you make that fill out and compliment your team i.e Werth, Victorino, Blanton. After the 2012 campaign it was clearly obvious this team needed to start getting younger, especially in the infield and what does Rube do? He resigns Rollins who apparently now is only interested in personal records and is the last guy I want mentoring young players as this team makes a transition in to the future.

  • Crucify Wheels July 29, 2013 at 10:11 am

    If next season Hamels and Halladay somehow return to form, if Kendrick and the Cuban are at least not terrible, if our bullpen isn’t one of the worst in the league, and if we aren’t trodding out a lineup of scrubs and old men plus Dom Brown & Ben Revere, then keep him. Otherwise this team is going to have to restock the system eventually.

    • ThePhillyFlash July 29, 2013 at 10:39 am

      I’m not too terribly comfortable about trading Lee, mainly because Ruben Amaro will be doing the wheeling and dealing, and he’s proven himself horribly inept at the practice. Something tells me he’ll fuck this up six ways to Sunday.

  • Gray July 29, 2013 at 10:12 am

    We might be headed back to “free ticket voucher included in Phillies franks” territory.

  • Harry July 29, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Ruben is quite possibly the worst GM in all of baseball.

  • Homer July 29, 2013 at 10:42 am

    In 2016, Lee will be 37 and he has a club option for $27 million or a buy out for for $12.5 million. No way do I want to pay a guy at that age that kind of money. Trade him to the Cardinals for Tavares and wacha.

  • heeto July 29, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Ken Rosenthal has a face for radio.

  • Adam B July 29, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Where was all this “Rube is the worst GM ever!” talk in 2011 when the team won 102 games (most EVER by a Phils team)? From 2008 to 2011 the team had a window and they took their chances. Yes the farm system is bare, but name me one player who he has moved who has made ANY contributions on the MLB level. Seriously…give me one name. . This year’s team was hoping for lightning in a bottle. It is what it is. The two moves I kill Rube for are the return he got for Lee the first time he traded him (should have just kept him to begin with) and the Blanton contract. Every other move was made to try to bring this team a championship. Oswalt came in here and went 10-1 in 2010, Pence came in and helped this team to its best record ever. Doc has won a Cy Young. All of the players moved in those deals haven’t done shit. People killed him for the Revere trade and all that kid has done is lead the team in hitting, and that’s after a horrendous start to the season and will be the CF for the future.

    I bet all of you are the same people who killed him for NOT trading Dom Brown when Brown was looking like he never caught a fly ball before or even saw a breaking ball.

    If you want to kill him for the Howard deal, just look at all of the other contracts that have been given to Power Hitting 1B players. Howards is the MOST team friendly. Texiera, Fielder, Pujols and Votto all got 8 to 10 year deals and they are all gonna be dead money for a LONG time. From ’06 to ’10 Howard was among the most prolific run producers. If Ruben wouldn’t have locked him up you all would have been screaming for his head.

    Let’s give credit where credit is due, he saw a window to win, he took his shot and they came up short. Now that window has closed and he needs to make some moves now to build for the future. Where Ruben SHOULD be judged is what happens in the next 48 hours.

  • Tommy July 29, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    This team has gotten progressively worse since Ruben took over. Granted they won 102 games that one year, but what did that get them? A first round exit in the playoffs.
    09 we lost the world series,
    2010 we lost in the NLCS,
    2011 we lost in the NLDS (with 102 wins in the regular season)
    2012 didnt make the playoffs.

    This team is going no where fast, its time to blow the team up. I dont understand your thoughts kyle, you want them to sell, but dont want them to trade their most valuable piece in Lee.

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